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<title>Naturally super - angels etc (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2717#msg-2717</link><description><![CDATA[ Ok my ignoring angels story from the earth quake thread.<br /><br />It must of been 15 / 16s ago I was working for the church runing a youth project which in a year had grown from 100% churched kids to 60% unchurched. Anyway me and a few of the leaders most of whom were unchurched young people went to a youth church conference, at which were some south Americans who had been seeing revival in their country.<br /><br />At the end they had a prayer time and when someone got healled a kinda Mexican wave of claps went round. The night we got back was pretty hot so we slept with the window open. At 2am my then wife and I both were woken by the exact clapping we had heard earlier. We lived In a semi detached house with a park opposite, as the clapping continued I got up and stuck my head out of the window it was a clear night but there was nothing to be seen but this clapping went round and round, so I shut the window and went back to bed. Who knows what I might of found if I went and ran around in the park in my pj's.<br /><br />I love it when creation can no longer contain the super natural or as I prefer the naturally super and it bursts through, like camping with loads of youth churches and standing in the field with all the tents and seeing in front of me a wall of torrentshal rain that stopped feet away from me and went no further.<br /><br />Or seeing an 8 year old pray for her friend and watching and hearing her friends leg grow 2 inches with no one even touching her.<br /><br />I guess I still believe in this stuff but because I'm not surround by others who also believe I see or hear of it less,<br />so do people have stories, ( bizarrely as I type on my iPhone I have my music library playing on random, its just playing a track called I think celleahge, from a old cd called hydro , this one track is the sounds of angels that a group of kids picked up whilst recording themselves worshipping) sorry I got interupted,<br /><br />I believe that god moves in amazing or super ways, yesterday in London me and zoe had a average chinese meal before going to see the play, as we came to pay and leave in a bit of a rush, our average waitress was not around so I gave the money to a waiter who had not served us in anyway, as he was about to return with my change I just felt to let him have, which I did, we left and had walked 150 yards away around a corner when the waiter caught up to us with my bag, for me that's god being naturally super.]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:31:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Interaction with box theo's (12 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2676#msg-2676</link><description><![CDATA[ Hmmmmm..So I guess I learned this week that there are those who just avoid conflict at all cost even when bringing up charges..yet at the same time the church in boxers are not inclined to discuss theology.If faced theology of the sort they seem to run for the hills yet complain about their problems at church...spout their crazed fearful doctrines and run amok..fine..<br /><br />So for now we laid down arms and walked away. It's kind of weird. I know folks are probably rejoicing over it. I'm sure it was deemed as useless debate and devise by the group. Maybe it was. I don't know.But something doesn't feel right now.<br /><br />I think something got compromised in the process. Like we didn't really prove grace..we just took a detour and allowed folks more bad habits of writing between the lines for us to interpret for them..That's so not cool.<br /><br />I feel slighted in not being confronted properly.<br /><br />I did gain some really good fellowship and am meeting one of them for lunch at the end of the month.<br /><br />So for now it's talks of Baseball..old pics of high school and what we had for breakfast..Just Like face book. Only problem is..we already have that.<br /><br />Not sure if this interests anyone here but I find it all too common anymore.<br /><br />Peace Gang..<br />yours truly<br />the mad shark hunter..]]></description>
<dc:creator>radio roswell</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:39:56 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Duck, Duck,....Goose! (4 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2666,2666#msg-2666</link><description><![CDATA[ I really enjoyed this perspective and thought some of you might as well...<br /><br />[<a href="http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/2010/09/duck-duck-goose.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.quiveringdaughters.com</a>]]]></description>
<dc:creator>Mountainash</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:56:45 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Book Reviews (4 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2665#msg-2665</link><description><![CDATA[ I read Brian McLaren's book &quot;A New Kind Of Christianity&quot; recently. I aint all that smart so I had to re-read sections a few times to *get* what he was trying to say. :-)<br /><br />One thing I enjoyed most about the book was how it motivated contemplation in my life. I felt the same way about The Shack and Bo's Cafe. Anyone else read the book? Thoughts?<br /><br />Still learning....<br /><br />Steve]]></description>
<dc:creator>Indy46220</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:50:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The Heart of the Matter (again?) (3 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2660#msg-2660</link><description><![CDATA[ Seems to me, I may have used that title before. Oh well,....<br /><br />The Bible talks a lot about the HEART. People these days love to say FOLLOW YOUR HEART. But the church can't seem to get past the idea that THE HEART IS DESPERATELY WICKED. So,... What to do / say / think / feel about our hearts?<br /><br />Questions I'm pondering:<br />What is the Heart?<br />Does God give a hoot what's in ours? Why / Why not?<br />Does God have one? What does this mean to us?<br />Why is the Heart so misunderstood? Or is it?<br /><br />(anyone)]]></description>
<dc:creator>Theresa7</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:33:28 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>living loved, involves loving people (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2635,2635#msg-2635</link><description><![CDATA[ Something i'm processing is that God kinda sets an example for us<br /><br />He loves me<br />he allows his love to change me<br />i throw all kinds of crap his way, disobey, hate, ignore, cause his son to die<br />but he still loves me<br /><br />and i find it kind of infectious, the more and more i discover how unworthy of his love i am, the easyier i find it to see the need to love other dirty humans and its not an hippy all you need if love thing, its born in the belly of my creation.<br /><br />God give me the eyes to see the love you have for people who have hurt me, and the strength and grace not to ignor what i see]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:58:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>To eat.. or not to eat? That is the question. (12 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2608,2608#msg-2608</link><description><![CDATA[ This is NOT a thread regarding the Jewish dietary laws...<br /><br />however, it came to my attention that some of the chicken in our local supermarket is <i>halal</i> prepared. I am reminded that in scripture we are admonished to not eat food that has been offered to idols, or made as a sacrifice. So... my question is this........ should we <i>knowingly</i> eat meat that has been <i>halal</i> prepared? Yes, I know, Mohamed is a false prophet/god and each animal slaughtered faces Mecca and has the 'prayer' prayed over it as its throat is cut etc etc, and He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world, and Peter was shown the vision of the 'clean and unclean' - but I believe this is different. 'Should' we abstain from food that is knowingly Islamic in origin??? (yes, its only food - but I suspect there is a principle here.....).<br /><br />I sure would appreciate your thoughts/comments - the jury is still out on this one (dunno)<div id="div_bd54396b4820b25c0cb6978eb2217ff6"
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<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:38:04 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Unfulfilled Prophesy (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2605,2605#msg-2605</link><description><![CDATA[ I stumbled upon <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_historical_predictions_by_Christians" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >this</a> today and thought that I would stick in on the pin-board here for others to see and add their post-it's to.<br /><br />It also made me think of the unfulfilled prophesy in my life...<i>goes off to re-read them.</i>]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wifey</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:06:47 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Tell me the truth (16 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2559,2559#msg-2559</link><description><![CDATA[ It was easy being church you were told what to believe and that if you did believe what you were told then you held the truth. Now I find myself going all hippy and post modern, you tell me your truth and I'll tell you mine.<br /><br />I agree with rob bells book velvet elvis that we all have an image of god, but it's not the complete true picture, like blind men feeling an elephant they have to share what they have found out about their part of the elephant to get the bigger picture.<br /><br />As believers maybe we need to share our info and freely recieve the info from others rather than simply defend our case, maybe as the body of Christ we should Stop trying to be major organs and try more to be the genes carrying gods DNA<br /><br />Are there truths, absolutes that are the foundation of what you beleive?<br /><br />Mine are: 1) I don't have enough faith to NOT believe in God<br />2) God is love, and love that we have only experienced in a tiny measure, God loves me which i don't understand or deserve, I can't increase or decrease his love<br />3) I believe that Jesus is both gods son and God, and that he gave up everything so I could have a relationship with god<br />4) I believe that god speaks / shows his love for us in anyway he canmake us listen or see<br />5) that the bible is inspired by and made live by the holy spirit, and is the benchmark for our you image of god<br />6) God does not need my to do anything for him, but he loves doing things with me.<br />7) the secular spiritual divide is a lie, started by the darkside and so often promoted by the church, everything is spiritual<br />8) god doesn't need me to protect and defend him<br />9) Christ is he head of the church, only if he builds his church will it prevail, it's his church and it's flipping everwhere, if you belong to Christ you belong to his church.<br />10) wearing sandles with socks is wrong<br /><br />I guess those are the basics, please add anyother that you think are fundamental]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:00:33 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Hokey cokey (17 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2548,2548#msg-2548</link><description><![CDATA[ Ok something I have been feeling for a while on other fora and in chatting with friends is a sense of them and us, between those in those out and those shaking it all about, and I guess I don't really get it.<br /><br />I have no desire to empty churches or any objection of going to a church meeting if I felt the need.<br />But I often hear of conflict between those in church and those who expression of church is outside of buildings meetings and structures.<br /><br />A good friend was chatting to me about a period when speaking in tongues was the big thing in the church we attended, he was now questioning whether it was real or made up, my response was that did it matter? By that I meant if god used or spoke to people through an out pouring of the spirit or if he used people making up words &quot;oh for a shandy&quot; what does it matter.<br /><br />I do not wish to in any way limit or cage god, if god is speaking to and building a relationship with his children through them going to a building once a week doing a line dance and taking without question what is said to them, if god uses that who am I to question that, I also don't feel the need to allow well meaning friends family to limit god by saying I need to be in a 'church'.<br /><br />I do like the line in the shack which says not all roads lead to god but god can be found on most roads, I'm sure that might include church!<br /><br />I guess my desire is when I get my head round living loved I can become a person that lives loving that feels no need to defend or attack but can accept that dad is big and beautiful enough to look after himself and provide for each individual their needs in ways I may not like or understand but he does it out of the same love he has for me]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:54:44 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Missing posts (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2510,2510#msg-2510</link><description><![CDATA[ I posted a reply to lionhearts evangelisms thread but it seems to have vanished, it's been raining here since sunday so maybe it got washed away!]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:39:36 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Thinking outside the &quot;Word of God&quot;? (14 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2482,2482#msg-2482</link><description><![CDATA[ This week a friend has lost his wife due to mental illness, and my wife and I will be going to the funeral with all the rest of IC'rs. As I have been praying and thinking about this situation I was challenged again about what I really do consider is the Word of God (wog) and the Word of Scripture (wos). Silly connection maybe, however what do you think about when people liberally quote to you about what the WOS says? For sure this morning we'll get alot of it from several people with different slants on it!<br /><br />For Years the WOG has been spoken of as the WOS, so one must think that these are one and the same surely? If any WOS is spoken it the final word, for Rev 22:19 And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book&quot; Is this only talking about the Revelation or of the whole WOS?<br /><br />Therefore Father God has been limited to only the WOS and anything outside this must be heresy?<br /><br />When Satan tempted him to turn the stones into bread so he could eat He said Mat 4:4 &quot;It is written, 'One must not live on bread alone, but on every word coming out of the mouth of God.&quot;<br /><br />More thoughts to come...<br /><br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:43:40 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Social Clubs (14 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2454,2454#msg-2454</link><description><![CDATA[ Hmmm, looking at the national paper today, and see this : [<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10664624" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.nzherald.co.nz</a>]<br /><br />It's following on from here : [<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10668193" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.nzherald.co.nz</a>]<br /><br />The gist of which is: NZ is one of the most desirable countries in the world for new immigrants, and our population could triple if we let everyone in...the second aspect of this is one of the Asians coming into the country having to join &quot;christian&quot; churches in order to get the support they need for settlement; business networking, schooling, friendships, etc, despite the fact that the Asian majority is Buddhist.<br /><br />Doesn't that make these churches nothing more than social clubs from the get-go?<br />Not that I have a problem with what they are doing to help new immigrants...I just don't think that religion should be part of the mix...<br />I have witnessed much racism directed towards the Asians particularly, and I don't really think they do themselves any favours by sticking to these social clubs rather than integrating with the general population; but it's the soft option.<br /><br />What do you think?]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:46:35 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Evangelism! - have you got the brief? (11 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2394,2394#msg-2394</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Poll</b>: Do you need to be trained in Evangelism? <br/><br/>Evangelism and the Evangelist!<br /><br />&quot;I just so have a passion to be an evangelist to go into the world and share Jesus with everyone I meet&quot;<br /><br />Much like &quot;witnessing&quot; Evangelism is similar and yet 'strange' in a way, because your talking about those things called &quot;Gifts&quot; and &quot;Talents&quot;. Some people love them, some hate them, some think there a dead thing of the past!<br /><br />Do YOU want to be and Evangelist? Are You one now? Does the whole image of a Evangelist do anything for you?<br /><br />Do you think it is a biblical mandate to need/want to give up your work and do Evangelism full time if you have a 'calling'?<br /><br /><br />Your thoughts?<br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:50:20 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The BIG &quot;D&quot;...Discipleship (21 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2391,2391#msg-2391</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Poll</b>: Is discipleship in need of revisting and rewriting? <br/><br/>Discipleship...<br /><br />What does this mean to you these days?? (seesaw)<br /><br />I happen to have gone to church! eek a &quot;meeting&quot; of folk with my wife and kids, as we had our meal several things were briefly touched on, incl the need to work the big D on some folks recently being told &quot;how to commit your life to God&quot;<br />This sentence alone will probably &quot;spark&quot; some thought's with you now how this &quot;should&quot; be done/worked etc...<br /><br />One chap said that &quot;He bought a big set of books that taught him how this should be done in every detail&quot; any pictures coming?<br /><br />Since we're in the &quot;kitchen&quot; then lets get learning/chopping and discovering what really the Big D has done to the &quot;Church&quot;?<br /><br />SO you now have a &quot;baby believer&quot; and &quot;You need to feed him or her&quot; isn't that the truth we were told? We must do it all for them until they can feed themselves? Its messy sure but we &quot;Have&quot; to do it?? Heard this before? So whats changed and what do we now believe?<br /><br />I'm afraid you might need to start with Gods word before we can move on?<br /><br />Your out of the box right so whats changed when you/we share our faith with someone and they say &quot;Yes I believe&quot; then what! We take and make em into one of US!! ;)<br /><br />Right Now you and I know there is a war on Souls, each day we come into contact with &quot;dead ones&quot; nice when their alive though. Then as your &quot;evangelisticisingwitnesstestifried&quot; they say &quot;Take me I'm yours give me what you have&quot; so do you take out the tracts and go through the 3 steps, followed by the 5 step rule and then the 12steps do's n donts then you &quot;you&quot; must &quot;plug them into the source&quot; after all if your not plugged in someone must off stepped on ya cord!<br /><br />LH left scratch marks here]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Conversations with church folks (21 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2351,2351#msg-2351</link><description><![CDATA[ Well, I know, I know.... we have talked about this subject again and again, on forum after forum. But I still am not satisfied. It's not that I want to come up with a cut and dried smart ass remark for past friends and acquaintances who ask &quot;are you still going to ChangePoint church?&quot; And when I say no, &quot;well where are you going&quot;? I try to tell them, from the heart, not too much information, but yet not glib and cold.... but I don't want to come across as condescending and bitter. I don't think that I AM bitter. No one, as far as I know, has &quot;hurt&quot; me, they have just missed me. I would like to be a person who speaks from the heart with those who are still enmeshed in the works of the system. I would like to treat them with respect, even if I get the same old cliches and buzz words.<br /><br />I just got off of the phone.... same old thing. I guess that we have to accept the fact that people don't &quot;hear&quot;, and may not be able to. But I don't want to give up hope, for the church, and for these people. I don't want to go into these conversations self protecting. I really think that Papa is doing a work in His church, and I don't want to get in the way. I would rather be a part of what He is doing.... or not do anything at all.<br /><br />So, just venting. Same old thing. And I suppose it has as many different characteristics, these meetings, as there are folks that we meet up with. But I do know that statistics show that MANY are leaving the building for the sake of their love of God. So, I want my heart to be willing to hear Papa, and not some clever response.<br /><br />Lord help us. Build Your church, in us.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
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<title>The &quot;Time&quot; we live in (13 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2334,2334#msg-2334</link><description><![CDATA[ just listening to a message by Arun Andrews (one of a few people who have podcasts with Ravi Zacharias) and although the message is titled &quot;Running out of time&quot; he picks up a thread in Mark 1v35<br /><br />ISV<br />Mar 1:35 In the morning, while it was still very dark, Jesus got up and went to a deserted place and prayed there.<br />Mar 1:36 Simon and his companions searched diligently for him.<br />Mar 1:37 When they found him, they told him, &quot;Everyone's looking for you.&quot;<br />Mar 1:38 He said to them, &quot;Let's go to the neighboring towns so that I can preach there, too. For that is why I came out here.&quot;<br /><br />Seemingly unconcerned about there urgent need of him and there plans, Jesus was almost saying &quot;I will not live my life by the turning of the urgent but rather live my life to the drumbeat of the heavenly father&quot; Notice the difference now in your present live and concern weather your ITB or OTB is not so much the question it is which 'beat' are you following?<br /><br />How often is your live being driven by the 'urgent' when Father God wants you to live in the quiet spaces of him and what He has for you? Now thats relationship!<br /><br />Sure it sounds easy, if you have 4 or 7 kids or a very busy life full of 'demands' is it very different? Draw near to him, take a few moments to be alone, shut the door in the bedroom, Guys maybe its the &quot;man cave&quot; or shed/workshop, maybe its in the car as you travel to work (if you have a job) or traveling to be somewhere, (dont close your eyes though, you dont have to ya know!) He's there wherever you are whatever the circumstances ready to meet you need ... His way ;)<br /><br />Q:- Why is there so much pressure to be and do everything just like Jesus? I guess because we cant be ourselves?<br /><br />Shalom<br /><br />LH]]></description>
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<title>Hierarchy (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2331,2331#msg-2331</link><description><![CDATA[ Check out this article:<br />[<a href="http://www.the-next-wave-ezine.info/issue138/index.cfm?id=61&amp;ref=ARTICLES_FEATURED%20ARTICLE:%20AT%20THE%20TOP_825" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.the-next-wave-ezine.info</a>]<br /><br />very cool; I liked this bit the most:<br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Many are of the opinion that Jesus actually taught and promoted hierarchy in the Church, something I find alarming and dangerous. But, just for a moment, let me ask, &quot;What would we expect to see in the New Testament if Jesus DIDN'T want His Church to be run like a hierarchy? Wouldn't we expect to see Jesus condemning this practice? Perhaps he would have pointed to a hierarchical system and commanded His disciples not to follow that example?<br /><br />&quot;Jesus called them together and said, &quot;You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&quot; – Jesus, in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 10, verses 42-45.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
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<title>The Tithe what do you really know about it? (19 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2260,2260#msg-2260</link><description><![CDATA[ Oh Here's a &quot;hottie&quot; for you all<br /><br />Well you just think you have got it all sorted and you come across a friend that says,<br />&quot;If you stop tithing then God will curse you and no wonder your having troubles!&quot;<br />&quot;Are you giving the full 10% or robbing God?&quot;<br />&quot;It must be gross on all your income?&quot;<br /><br />So - brush off those bibles and lets hear what we have been <u>taught</u> what we have discovered ourselves and ... what the the bible and history actually say about it?<br /><br />Time to Chop and Crop!]]></description>
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<title>Our Treasure, His Treasure? (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2259,2259#msg-2259</link><description><![CDATA[ Hi Everyone<br /><br />Thought I would kick off a topic today as my son came back from the IC and told me what happened in the teens discussion time for sunday.<br /><br />Your Treasure?<br />A youth leader spoke to the teens about &quot;what or where you treasure is&quot;.<br /><br />Now this comes from Jesus speaking to the crowds who had followed him knowing that he had been doing many miracles in Galilee seeking perhaps some in there lives as-well...<br /><br />Matt 6 v19-21 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.&quot;<br /><br />Placed between Fasting and Worrying Jesus has <u>already</u> spoken to them about many other things, Chp5 The Beatitudes, Salt and Light, The Fulfillment of the Law, Murder, Adultery, Divorce, Oaths, An Eye for an Eye, Love for Enemies, Chp6 Giving to the Needy, How to Pray, Fasting, TREASURES, Worrying and more right through to chp7 ending on &quot;The Wise and Foolish Builders&quot;.<br /><br />Now how do you think that talk went? What genuine concerns where really related to a group of kids/teens 15-17yrs from a young evangelical man, that helped and encouraged them to have/continue a closer walk with Papa and a real relationship with Him?<br /><br />IMHO I cant but think that the perspective will be on 'you must do this or He will not love you' - opinion - sure - fact - maybe, shame - probably!<br /><br />So what would you think about this 'challenging' scripture given only 1 verse?<br /><br />Also retold in Luke 12v33]]></description>
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<title>Blue Like Jazz (8 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2093,2093#msg-2093</link><description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Donald Miller</strong><br/>
excerpt from <a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Blue-Like-Jazz/Donald-Miller/e/9780785263708#EXC" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >Blue Like Jazz by Donald Miller</a><br />When I moved downtown to attend Imago-Dei, the church Rick started, he was pretty serious about loving people regardless of whether theyconsidered Jesus the Son of God or not, and Rick wanted to love them because they were either hungry, thirsty, or lonely. The human struggle bothered Rick, as if something was broken in the world and we were supposed to hold our palms against the wound. He didn't really see evangelism, or whatever you want to call it, as a target on a wall in which the goal is to get people to agree with us about the meaning of life. He saw evangelism as reaching a felt need. I thought this was beautiful and frightening. I thought it was beautiful because I had this same need; I mean, I really knew I needed Jesus like I need water or food, and yet it was frightening because Christianity is so stupid to so much of our culture, and I absolutely hate bothering people about this stuff.<br /><br />So much of me believes strongly in letting everybody live their own lives, and when I share my faith, I feel like a network marketing guy trying to build my down line.<br /><br />Some of my friends who aren't Christians think that Christians are insistent and demanding and intruding, but that isn't the case. Those folks are the squeaky wheel. Most Christians have enormous respect for the space and freedom of others; it is only that they have found a joy in Jesus they want to share. There is the tension.<br /><br />In a recent radio interview I was sternly asked by the host, who did not consider himself a Christian, to defend Christianity. I told him that I couldn't do it, and moreover, that I didn't want to defend the term. He asked me if I was a Christian, and I told him yes. &quot;Then why don't you want to defend Christianity?&quot; he asked, confused. I told him I no longer knew what the term meant. Of the hundreds of thousands of people listening to his show that day, some of them had terrible experiences with Christianity; they may have been yelled at by a teacher in a Christian school, abused by a minister, or browbeaten by a Christian parent. To them, the term Christianity meant something that no Christian I know would defend. By fortifying the term, I am only making them more and more angry. I won't do it. Stop ten people on the street and ask them what they think of when they hear the word Christianity, and they will give you ten different answers. How can I defend a term that means ten different things to ten different people? I told the radio show host that I would rather talk about Jesus and how I came to believe that Jesus exists and that he likes me. The host looked back at me with tears in his eyes. When we were done, he asked me if we could go get lunch together. He told me how much he didn't like Christianity but how he had always wanted to believe Jesus was the Son of God.<br /><br />o o o<br /><br />For me, the beginning of sharing my faith with people began by throwing out Christianity and embracing Christian spirituality, a nonpolitical mysterious system that can be experienced but not explained. Christianity, unlike Christian spirituality, was not a term that excited me. And I could not in good conscious tell a friend about a faith that didn't excite me. I couldn't share something I wasn't experiencing. And I wasn't experiencing Christianity. It didn't do anything for me at all. It felt like math, like a system of rights and wrongs and political beliefs, but it wasn't mysterious; it wasn't God reaching out of heaven to do wonderful things in my life. And if I would have shared Christianity with somebody, it would have felt mostl like I was trying to get somebody to agree with me rather than meet God. I could no longer share anything about Christianity, but I loved talking about Jesus and the spirituality that goes along with a relationship with Him.<br /><br />Tony the Beat Poet says the church is like a wounded animal these days. He says we used to have power and influence, but now we don't, and so many of our leaders are upset about this and acting like spoiled children, mad because they can't have their way.<br /><br />They disguise their actions to look as though they are standing on principle, but it isn't that, Tony says, it's bitterness. They want to take their ball and go home because they have to sit the bench. Tony and I agreed that what God wants us to do is sit the bench in humility and turn the other cheek like Gandhi, like Jesus. We decided that the correct place to share our faith was from a place of humility and love, not from a desire for power.<br /><br />o o o<br /><br />Each year at Reed they have a festival called Ren Fayre. They shut down the campus so students can party. Security keeps the authorities away, and everybody gets pretty drunk and high, and some people get naked. Friday night is mostly about getting drunk, and Saturday night is about getting high. The school brings in White Bird, a medical unit that specializes in treating bad drug trips. The students create special lounges with black lights and television screens to enhance kids' mushroom trips.<br /><br />Some of the Christian students in our little group decided this was a pretty good place to come out of the closet, letting everybody know there were a few Christians on campus. Tony the Beat Poet and I were sitting around in my room one afternoon talking about what to do, to explain who we were to a group of students who, in the past, had expressed hostility toward Christians. Like our friends, we felt like Ren Fayre was the time to do this. I said we should build a confession booth in the middle of campus and paint a sign on it that said &quot;Confess your sins.&quot; I said this because I knew a lot of people would be sinning, and Christian spirituality begins by confessing our sins and repenting. I also said it as a joke. But Tony thought it was brilliant. He sat there on my couch with his mind in the clouds, and he was scaring the crap out of me because, for a second, then for a minute, I actually believed he wanted to do it.<br /><br />&quot;Tony,&quot; I said very gently.<br /><br />&quot;What?&quot; he said, with a blank stare at the opposite wall.<br /><br />&quot;We are not going to do this,&quot; I told him. He moved his gaze down the wall and directly into my eyes. A smile came across his face.<br /><br />&quot;Oh, we are, Don. We certainly are. We are going to build a confession booth!&quot;<br /><br />We met in Commons-Penny, Nadine, Mitch, Iven, Tony, and I. Tony said I had an idea. They looked at me. I told them that Tony was lying and I didn't have an idea at all. They looked at Tony. Tony gave me a dirty look and told me to tell them the idea. I told them I had a stupid idea that we couldn't do without getting attacked. They leaned in. I told them that we should build a confession booth in the middle of campus and paint a sign on it that said &quot;Confess your sins.&quot; Penny put her hands over her mouth. Nadine smiled. Iven laughed. Mitch started drawing the designs for the booth on a napkin. Tony nodded his head. I wet my pants.<br /><br />&quot;They may very well burn it down,&quot; Nadine said.<br /><br />&quot;I will build a trapdoor,&quot; Mitch said with his finger in the air.<br /><br />&quot;I like it, Don.&quot; Iven patted me on the back.<br /><br />&quot;I don't want anything to do with it,&quot; Penny said.<br /><br />&quot;Neither do I,&quot; I told her.<br /><br />&quot;Okay, you guys.&quot; Tony gathered everybody's attention. &quot;Here's the catch.&quot; He leaned in a little and collected his thoughts. &quot;We are not actually going to accept confessions.&quot; We all looked at him in confusion. He continued, &quot;We are going to confess to them. We are going to confess that, as followers of Jesus, we have not been very loving; we have been bitter, and for that we are sorry. We will apologize for the Crusades, we will apologize for televangelists, we will apologize for neglecting the poor and the lonely, we will ask them to forgive us, and we will tell them that in our selfishness, we have misrepresented Jesus on this campus. We will tell people who come into the booth that Jesus loves them.&quot;<br /><br />All of us sat there in silence because it was obvious that something beautiful and true had hit the table with a thud. We all thought it was a great idea, and we could see it in each other's eyes. It would feel so good to apologize, to apologize for the Crusades, for Columbus and the genocide he committed in the Bahamas in the name of God, apologize for the missionaries who landed in Mexico and came up through the West slaughtering Indians in the name of Christ. I wanted so desperately to say that none of this was Jesus, and I wanted so desperately to apologize for the many ways I had misrepresented the Lord. I could feel that I had betrayed the Lord by judging, by not being willing to love the people He had loved and only giving lip service to issues of human rights.<br /><br />For so much of my life I had been defending Christianity because I thought to admit that we had done any wrong was to discredit the religious system as a whole, but it isn't a religious system, it is people following Christ; and the important thing to do, the right thing to do, was to apologize for getting in the way of Jesus.<br /><br />Later I had a conversation with a very arrogant Reed professor in the parking lot in which he asked me what brought me to Reed. I told him I was auditing a class but was really there to interact with the few Christians who studied at Reed. The professor asked me if I was a Christian evangelist. I told him I didn't think I was, that I wouldn't consider myself an evangelist. He went on to compare my work to that of Captain Cook, who had attempted to bring Western values to indigenous people of Hawaii. He looked me in the eye and said the tribes had killed Cook.<br /><br />He did not wish me a greater fate at Reed.<br /><br />All the way home on my motorcycle I fumed and imagined beating the professor into a pulp right there in the parking lot. I could see his sly smile, his intellectual pride. Sure, Christians had done terrible things to humanity, but I hadn't. I had never killed anybody at all. And those people weren't following Jesus when they committed those crimes against humanity. They were government people, and government always uses God to manipulate the masses into following them.<br /><br />Both Clinton and Bush claim to be followers of Jesus. Anybody who wants to get their way says that Jesus supports their view. But that isn't Jesus' fault. Tony had come to campus a few days earlier, a bit sad in the face. He had seen a bumper sticker on one of the cars in the parking lot that read &quot;Too bad we can't feed Christians to the lions anymore.&quot;<br /><br />I prayed about getting in the confession booth. I wondered whether I could apologize and mean it. I wondered whether I could humble myself to a culture that, to some degree, had wronged us. But I could see in Penny's face, in Iven's eyes, that this was what they wanted; they wanted to love these people, their friends, and it didn't matter to them what it cost. They didn't care how much they had been hurt, and they certainly had more scars than either Tony or I, and so we bought the wood and stored it in my garage, and Friday night we went to the Thesis parade and watched everybody get drunk and beat drums and dance in the spray of beer. Tony and I dressed like monks and smoked pipes and walked among the anarchy, becoming soaked in all the alcohol spewing from within the crowds. People would come up to us and ask what we were doing, and we told them that the next day we would be on campus to take confessions. They looked at us in amazement, sometimes asking us whether we were serious. We told them to come and see us, that we were going to build a confession booth.<br /><br />The next morning, while everybody was sleeping off their hangovers, Mitch, Tony, and I started building the thing. Mitch had the plans drawn out. The booth was huge, much bigger than I expected, almost like a shed complete with a slanted roof and two small sections inside, one for the monk and the other for the confessor. We built a half-high wall between the two rooms and installed a curtain so the confessor could easily get in and out. On our side we installed a door with a latch so nobody could come in and drag us away. Nadine painted &quot;Confession Booth&quot; in large letters on the outside of the booth.<br /><br />As the campus started to gather energy, people walking along the sidewalk would ask what we were doing. They stood there looking at the booth in wonder. &quot;What are we supposed to do?&quot; they would ask. &quot;Confess your sins,&quot; we told them. &quot;To who?&quot; they would say. &quot;To God,&quot; we would tell them. &quot;There is no God,&quot; they would explain. Some of them told us this was the boldest thing they had ever seen. All of them were kind, which surprised us.<br /><br />I stood there outside the booth as a large blue mob started running across campus, all of them, more than a hundred people, naked and painted with blue paint. They ran by the booth screaming and waving. I waved back. Naked people look funny when they are for-real naked, outside-a-magazine naked.<br /><br />Saturday evening at Ren Fayre is alive and fun. The sun goes down over campus, and shortly after dark they shoot fireworks over the tennis courts. Students lay themselves out on a hill and laugh and point in bleary-eyed fascination. The highlight of the evening is a glow opera that packs the amphitheater with students and friends. The opera is designed to enhance mushroom trips. The actors wear all black and carry colorful puppets and cutouts that come alive in the black light. Everybody ooohs and aaahs.<br /><br />The party goes till nearly dawn, so though it was late we started working the booth. We lit tiki torches and mounted them in the ground just outside the booth. Tony and Iven were saying that I should go first, which I didn't want to do, but I played bold and got in the booth. I sat on a bucket and watched the ceiling and the smoke from my pipe gather in the dark corners like ghosts. I could hear the rave happening in the student center across campus. I was picturing all the cool dancers, the girls in white shirts moving through the black light, the guys with the turntables in the loft, the big screen with the swirling images and all that energy coming out of the speakers, pounding through everybody's bodies, getting everybody up and down, up and down. Nobody is going to confess anything, I thought. Who wants to stop dancing to confess their sins? And I realized that this was a bad idea, that none of this was God's idea. Nobody was going to get angry, but nobody was going to care very much either.<br /><br />There is nothing relevant about Christian spirituality, I kept thinking. God, if He is even there, has no voice in this place. Everybody wants to have a conversation about truth, but there isn't any truth anymore. The only truth is what is cool, what is on television, what protest is going on on what block, and it doesn't matter the issue; it only matters who is going to be there and will there be a party later and can any of us feel like we are relevant while we are at the party. And in the middle of it we are like Mormons on bikes. I sat there wondering whether any of this was true, whether Christian spirituality was even true at all. You never question the truth of something until you have to explain it to a skeptic. I didn't feel like explaining it very much. I didn't feel like being in the booth or wearing that stupid monk outfit. I wanted to go to the rave. Everybody in there was cool, and we were just religious.<br /><br />I was going to tell Tony that I didn't want to do it when he opened the curtain and said we had our first customer.<br /><br />&quot;What's up, man?&quot; Duder sat himself on the chair with a smile on his face. He told me my pipe smelled good.<br /><br />&quot;Thanks,&quot; I said. I asked him his name, and he said his name was Jake. I shook his hand because I didn't know what to do, really.<br /><br />&quot;So, what is this? I'm supposed to tell you all of the juicy gossip I did at Ren Fayre, right?&quot; Jake said.<br /><br />&quot;No.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Okay, then what? What's the game?&quot; He asked.<br /><br />&quot;Not really a game. More of a confession thing.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;You want me to confess my sins, right?&quot;<br /><br />&quot;No, that's not what we're doing, really.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;What's the deal, man? What's with the monk outfit?&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Well, we are, well, a group of Christians here on campus, you know.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;I see. Strange place for Christians, but I am listening.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Thanks,&quot; I told him. He was being very patient and gracious. &quot;Anyway, there is this group of us, just a few of us who were thinking about the way Christians have sort of wronged people over time. You know, the Crusades, all that stuff . . .&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Well, I doubt you personally were involved in any of that, man.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;No, I wasn't,&quot; I told him. &quot;But the thing is, we are followers of Jesus. We believe that He is God and all, and He represented certain ideas that we have sort of not done a good job at representing. He has asked us to represent Him well, but it can be very hard.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;I see,&quot; Jake said.<br /><br />&quot;So there is this group of us on campus who wanted to confess to you.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;You are confessing to me!&quot; Jake said with a laugh.<br /><br />&quot;Yeah. We are confessing to you. I mean, I am confessing to you.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;You're serious.&quot; His laugh turned to something of a straight face.<br /><br />I told him I was. He looked at me and told me I didn't have to. I told him I did, and I felt very strongly in that moment that I was supposed to tell Jake that I was sorry about everything.<br /><br />&quot;What are you confessing?&quot; he asked.<br /><br />I shook my head and looked at the ground. &quot;Everything,&quot; I told him.<br /><br />&quot;Explain,&quot; he said.<br /><br />&quot;There's a lot. I will keep it short,&quot; I started. &quot;Jesus said to feed the poor and to heal the sick. I have never done very much about that. Jesus said to love those who persecute me. I tend to lash out, especially if I feel threatened, you know, if my ego gets threatened. Jesus did not mix His spirituality with politics. I grew up doing that. It got in the way of the central message of Christ. I know that was wrong, and I know that a lot of people will not listen to the words of Christ because people like me, who know Him, carry our own agendas into the conversation rather than just relaying the message Christ wanted to get across. There's a lot more, you know.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;It's all right, man,&quot; Jake said, very tenderly. His eyes were starting to water.<br /><br />&quot;Well,&quot; I said, clearing my throat, &quot;I am sorry for all of that.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;I forgive you,&quot; Jake said. And he meant it.<br /><br />&quot;Thanks,&quot; I told him.<br /><br />He sat there and looked at the floor, then into the fire of a candle. &quot;It's really cool what you guys are doing,&quot; he said. &quot;A lot of people need to hear this.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Have we hurt a lot of people?&quot; I asked him.<br /><br />&quot;You haven't hurt me. I just think it isn't very popular to be a Christian, you know. Especially at a place like this. I don't think too many people have been hurt. Most people just have a strong reaction to what they see on television. All these well-dressed preachers supporting the Republicans.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;That's not the whole picture,&quot; I said. &quot;That's just television. I have friends who are giving their lives to feed the poor and defend the defenseless. They are doing it for Christ.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;You really believe in Jesus, don't you?&quot; he asked me.<br /><br />&quot;Yes, I think I do. Most often I do. I have doubts at times, but mostly I believe in Him. It's like there is something in me that causes me to believe, and I can't explain it.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;You said earlier that there was a central message of Christ. I don't really want to become a Christian, you know, but what is that message?&quot;<br /><br />&quot;The message is that man sinned against God and God gave the world over to man, and that if somebody wanted to be rescued out of that, if somebody for instance finds it all very empty, that Christ will rescue them if they want; that if they ask forgiveness for being a part of that rebellion then God will forgive them.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;What is the deal with the cross?&quot; Jake asked.<br /><br />&quot;God says the wages of sin is death,&quot; I told him. &quot;And Jesus died so that none of us would have to. If we have faith in that then we are Christians.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;That is why people wear crosses?&quot; he asked.<br /><br />&quot;I guess. I think it is sort of fashionable. Some people believe that if they have a cross around their neck or tattooed on them or something, it has some sort of mystical power.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Do you believe that?&quot; Jake asked.<br /><br />&quot;No,&quot; I answered. I told him that I thought mystical power came through faith in Jesus.<br /><br />&quot;What do you believe about God?&quot; I asked him.<br /><br />&quot;I don't know. I guess I didn't believe for a long time, you know. The science of it is so sketchy. I guess I believe in God though. I believe somebody is responsible for all of this, this world we live in. It is all very confusing.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Jake, if you want to know God, you can. I am just saying if you ever want to call on Jesus, He will be there.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Thanks, man. I believe that you mean that.&quot; His eyes were watering again. &quot;This is cool what you guys are doing,&quot; he repeated. &quot;I am going to tell my friends about this.&quot;<br /><br />&quot;I don't know whether to thank you for that or not,&quot; I laughed. &quot;I have to sit here and confess all my crap.&quot;<br /><br />He looked at me very seriously. &quot;It's worth it,&quot; he said. He shook my hand, and when he left the booth there was somebody else ready to get in. It went like that for a couple of hours. I talked to about thirty people, and Tony took confessions on a picnic table outside the booth. Many people wanted to hug when we were done. All of the people who visited the booth were grateful and gracious. I was being changed through the process. I went in with doubts and came out believing so strongly in Jesus I was ready to die and be with Him. I think that night was the beginning of change for a lot of us.<br /><br />Iven started taking a group to a local homeless shelter to feed the poor, and he often had to turn students away because the van wouldn't hold more than twenty or so. We held an event called Poverty Day where we asked students to live on less than three dollars a day to practice solidarity with the poor. More than one hundred students participated. Penny spoke in Vollum Lounge on the topic of poverty in India, and more than seventy-five students came. Before any of this, our biggest event had about ten people. We hosted an evening where we asked students to come and voice their hostility against Christians. We answered questions about what we believed and explained our love for people, for the hurting, and we apologized again for our own wrongs against humanity and asked for forgiveness from the Reed community. We enjoyed the new friendships we received, and at one time had four different Bible studies on campus specifically for people who did not consider themselves Christians. We watched a lot of students take a second look at Christ. But mostly, we as Christians felt right with the people around us. Mostly we felt forgiven and grateful.<br /><br />Sometime around two or three in the morning, the night we took confessions, I was walking off the campus with my monk robe under my arm, and when I got to the large oak trees on the outskirts of the font lawn, I turned and looked at the campus. It all looked so smart and old, and I could see the lights coming out of the Student Center, and I could hear the music thumping. There were kids making out on the lawn and chasing each other down the sidewalks. There was laughing and dancing and throwing up.<br /><br />I felt very strongly that Jesus was relevant in this place. I felt very strongly that if He was not relevant here then He was not relevant anywhere. I felt very peaceful in that place and very sober. I felt very connected to God because I had confessed so much to so many people and had gotten so much off my chest and I had been forgiven by the people I had wronged with my indifference and judgmentalism. I was going to sit there for a little while, but it was cold and the grass was damp. I went home and fell asleep on the couch and the next morning made coffee and sat on the porch at Graceland and wondered whether the things that happened the night before had actually happened. I was out of the closet now. A Christian. So many years before I had made amends to God, but now I had made amends to the world. I was somebody who was willing to share my faith. It felt kind of cool, kind of different. It was very relieving.</div></blockquote><br />with thanks to Shell, for pointing this out!]]></description>
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<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:25:58 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Praises (10 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2064,2064#msg-2064</link><description><![CDATA[ I've been thinking that with my tendency to focus on the NEGATIVE rather than the POSITIVE, that I tend to do a LOT of whining, complaining and moaning. So please, guys, if you see me doing that, stop me short! Now, out of necessity I thought to bring positive praises to Papa instead; thanking him for everything that comes to me. Please join in with what you are thankful for. &quot;In all things give thanks to your Father in Heaven&quot;]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:02:21 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>(soapbox)Dark chocolate or White chocolate? (7 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1859,1859#msg-1859</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Poll</b>: Is dark chocolate from God or the Devil? <br/><br/>1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.<br /><br />2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.<br /><br />3Then God said, &quot;Let there be light&quot;; and there was light.<br /><br />4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.<br /><br />5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night And there was evening and there was morning, one day.<br /><br />So, just thinking...if there was no night, there would be no contrast to the day, therefore we would not have a &quot;day&quot;...so do we need EVIL around us in order to understand and appreciate GOODNESS? God after all, created the darkness, and was comfortable with it enough to be moving over the surface of the deep, dark waters. (Sidenote: is this why Jesus took a stroll on the sea?)<br /><br />How can we appreciate creamy white chocolate for it's uniqueness, unless we have first encountered the dark chocolate? (excited)<br /><br />So is the fall, and our separation from him, really all part of the Plan?<br /><br />Hmmmm, musing musing, think I'll go get some chocolate...need my vitamin C fix ;)]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 18:39:15 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>PostChurch (16 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1658,1658#msg-1658</link><description><![CDATA[ LionHearted pointed me to an article by Frank Viola about the &quot;PostChurch&quot; ; people who leave the IC for online and one-to-one meeting.<br />It is <a href="http://papashome.com/resources/postchurchFV.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >here</a> and online discussion <a href="http://www.outofur.com/archives/2009/08/frank_viola_on.html#comments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >here</a>.<br /><br />There is so much in there that I totally disagree with, that FV has wrong exegetically and logically, that I am astounded (crazy). Have a read, see what you think.]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:02:42 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Celebrations (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1586,1586#msg-1586</link><description><![CDATA[ I have never been one to celebrate, party, or rejoice over anything much. It had always been part of my upbringing and personality to be reserved, &quot;sober and of good judgement&quot;, and quiet. But Papa is bringing me out of that, and I am just now waking up to that fact. He wants us to celebrate! He wants us to have a good time, to feast, to rejoice, to party with others.<br /><br />All through scripture, the Jews were told to store up for the feasts (in fact that is what the TITHE is!!). Jesus first recorded miracle? Water to wine at a wedding feast! And he reversed the pattern of the day, producing the best wine at the end of the feast, and in such abundance that everyone was flabbergasted.<br /><br />Jesus also compared the kingdom of God to a wedding feast (Matthew 22:1–14, Luke 14:16–24), and demonstrated how those who refuse to partake in the rejoicing of his kingship will miss out on that feast at the wedding of the bridegroom and the Lamb.<br /><br />So I'm learning to &quot;let my hair down&quot; (not easy when you haven't got any), and have fun rejoicing in his goodness, and partying with others.<br /><br />This does not mean that I am given to drunkenness, carousing, etc... rather that I can be free to associate with those who are of that bent - the publicans, tax collectors, and sinners, without fear of being 'tainted' or sinning; because I know my Lord and Saviour who dwells within me, and he associated with these people too. In fact he far preferred it than spending time with those religious folks (he said something about whitewashed tombs, and vipers) ;)<br /><br />So how about you? Do you find it easy to party? (happydance)]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:54:02 -0600</pubDate></item>
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<title>A dilemma I have (11 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1521,1521#msg-1521</link><description><![CDATA[ Looking for any input or thoughts any of you have after you hear this story.<br /><br />When my hubby and I were in the IC we had a home group, and one of our members was Rhonda. She told me she had joined &quot;to learn how normal people act&quot;, and when I laughingly replied &quot;well you won't find that out HERE&quot;, she said she was more comfortable in a crack house than with Christians. And so we proceeded to love and include her and she opened up and began growing.<br /><br />After a time she trusted us with the fact that she was not really Rhonda; she was Ron. She'd been born a man, but with such low levels of male hormones that as she grew, she found she was sexually attracted to men, and eventually had a sex change operation. {you can imagine how this bowled us over...} But she had had such a tremendous experience with God and now sensed him clearly telling her to go back to being a man as she was born. We supported her through this, and now I have to start calling him Ron. Yeah, it was hard for us to make the shift too.<br /><br />Ron spent about 18 hours a day in prayer, studying the Bible, witnessing to friends and strangers, giving what little money he had to the needy...I mean it was all he did. You couldn't argue with it, because you didn't know but that this was what God was telling him to do, and he did assure us it WAS God. It got harder to relate to him on any other subject than God or the Bible, cuz that's all he wanted to talk about. No one could deny that Ron loved God and was utterly sold out to Him.<br /><br />Ron started listening to video sermons by the late Pastor Lester Sumrall. Don't know if any of you have heard of him, but he's a local pentecostal preacher who became rather famous for the signs and wonders that occurred in his ministry, including lots of healings and deliverances, especially in the Philippines. Ron decided to go to Pastor Sumrall's Bible college, and stopped going to our church so he could go to that church. We kinda lost touch, and then my husband and I left the church. We'd talk on the phone once in awhile to Ron.<br /><br />I started getting emails from him, from Africa. He had gone to Goma, in the Congo, all on his own with his ministry training, to teach the people and help them establish a church. It's hard to imagine worse living conditions than these people live in. Ron lives like them when he goes there. His heart is to share the good news with them. I don't always agree with his interpretation of the good news, which seems to put a lot of emphasis on believing in faith that you have something you want from God, and expecting him to answer in that way. His approach to people is more of a teacher, a corrector of &quot;false doctrine&quot;, than it is to have relationships with them.<br /><br />Now he's making another trip to Goma and is appealing to us and others for funds with which to buy land and build a church in Goma. FINALLY I'M GETTING TO THE POINT OF MY DILEMMA. I don't know whether to give him money! I'm so torn!<br /><br />On the one hand, I love this guy. His heart is pure and he's doing what he is convinced God wants him to do. I'm inclined to give him money just on this basis.<br /><br />But on the other hand, I'm not convinced that the way to help the poor people of Goma is to build them a church. And I'm not in total agreement with Ron's teachings or methodology.<br /><br />If any thoughts come to you as you read this, I'd like to hear them.]]></description>
<dc:creator>C Shell</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:26:03 -0600</pubDate></item>
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<title>I don't want to be a Christian anymore. (15 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1517,1517#msg-1517</link><description><![CDATA[ No, <i>really</i>. I really don't want to be a Christian anymore. :(<br /><br />It seems to me that:<br /><br />• More evil is done in the name of God than by atheists or agnostics.<br /><br />• The Bible is used to back up more evil than good.<br /><br />• The Bible can be used to support anything.<br /><br />• The Bible's true meaning is terribly subjective.<br /><br />• I can intuitively discern what is good and right more easily without the Bible than with.<br /><br />All this started recently when I found out about a seven year old girl who was beaten to death by her adoptive parents for mispronouncing a word in her homeschool lesson. Since then lot of my Christian friends who don't support corporal punishment have published various facebook statuses and notes detailing why they choose to parent without hitting, spanking, or punishing. These statuses and notes have resulted in a backlash of comments about how God is loving but violent and God punishes us, therefore we should punish our children. I did a google search for Hebrews 12:6 and the word &quot;scourge&quot; and stumbled upon a site entitled Christian Domestic Discipline. It was heartbreaking. :(<br /><br />I don't know why I have so much trouble accepting a violent, wrathful, punishing God, but I do. If that's who the God of the Bible is, I don't want to be a Christian.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Mountainash</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:52:50 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Wot if I is wrong?:S (20 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1497,1497#msg-1497</link><description><![CDATA[ Strangely, this question has been popping up lately...What if I am wrong, and the &quot;church/club/cult&quot; is where I am supposed to be, but I've been hoodwinked by my own rebellious nature/ independence/ &quot;Jezebel &quot; spirit? (Yeah, I know all the arguments they use...)<br /><br />So what if?]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:51:17 -0600</pubDate></item>
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<title>Elton John's quote (12 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1481,1481#msg-1481</link><description><![CDATA[ <span style="font-size:large">Here is a quote from Elton John:</span><br /><br />&quot;I think Jesus was a compassionate, super-intelligent gay man who understood human problems. On the cross, he forgave the people who crucified him. Jesus wanted us to be loving and forgiving. I don't know what makes people so cruel. Try being a gay woman in the Middle East -- you're as good as dead.&quot;<br /><br /><br />So what do you think. I know a lot of people in the IC will have a heart attack over this. Could this be true?(hmmm)]]></description>
<dc:creator>dogwoodflwr</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:52:42 -0600</pubDate></item>
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<title>What's in a Name? (7 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,1385,1385#msg-1385</link><description><![CDATA[ I awoke this morning, early, to get onto the bus to my conference, with this name on my mind; Jesus. I don't know why ;)<br /><br />But it got me to thinking; what's in a name, specifically, the Name above all Names?<br />Why is it that a Name is so important and powerful?<br />I thought that His name was really Yeshua anyhow (which is still an Anglicised version of the original Hebrew) - so obviously the name is NOT syntactically important...or is it?<br />What part does Faith play in the understanding of the Name?<br />What does the Name mean to you?<br />Is the Name a tool you use to frighten off the bogeyman? ;) Or is there something precious behind it?]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:00:36 -0600</pubDate></item>
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