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<title>Naturally super - angels etc (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2717#msg-2717</link><description><![CDATA[ Ok my ignoring angels story from the earth quake thread.<br /><br />It must of been 15 / 16s ago I was working for the church runing a youth project which in a year had grown from 100% churched kids to 60% unchurched. Anyway me and a few of the leaders most of whom were unchurched young people went to a youth church conference, at which were some south Americans who had been seeing revival in their country.<br /><br />At the end they had a prayer time and when someone got healled a kinda Mexican wave of claps went round. The night we got back was pretty hot so we slept with the window open. At 2am my then wife and I both were woken by the exact clapping we had heard earlier. We lived In a semi detached house with a park opposite, as the clapping continued I got up and stuck my head out of the window it was a clear night but there was nothing to be seen but this clapping went round and round, so I shut the window and went back to bed. Who knows what I might of found if I went and ran around in the park in my pj's.<br /><br />I love it when creation can no longer contain the super natural or as I prefer the naturally super and it bursts through, like camping with loads of youth churches and standing in the field with all the tents and seeing in front of me a wall of torrentshal rain that stopped feet away from me and went no further.<br /><br />Or seeing an 8 year old pray for her friend and watching and hearing her friends leg grow 2 inches with no one even touching her.<br /><br />I guess I still believe in this stuff but because I'm not surround by others who also believe I see or hear of it less,<br />so do people have stories, ( bizarrely as I type on my iPhone I have my music library playing on random, its just playing a track called I think celleahge, from a old cd called hydro , this one track is the sounds of angels that a group of kids picked up whilst recording themselves worshipping) sorry I got interupted,<br /><br />I believe that god moves in amazing or super ways, yesterday in London me and zoe had a average chinese meal before going to see the play, as we came to pay and leave in a bit of a rush, our average waitress was not around so I gave the money to a waiter who had not served us in anyway, as he was about to return with my change I just felt to let him have, which I did, we left and had walked 150 yards away around a corner when the waiter caught up to us with my bag, for me that's god being naturally super.]]></description>
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<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:31:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Sleepless in London (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2705#msg-2705</link><description><![CDATA[ So it's 3am I can't sleep, about every month I get a night where my right foot goes numb when I lie down and it keeps<br />me awake (my foots asleep, the rest of me isn't)<br /><br />usually I'm at home so I can go downstairs watch tv, have bath talk to the dog, but tonight I'm in a twin hotel room in London with my sleeping eldest daughter! having taken her to see phantom of the opera as her birthday present (her twins going to see wwe for his trip in nov!!) So I'm watching the seconde tick by hoping for the point where I too tired to be kept awake.<br /><br />Thankful for iPhone at least I have something]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Bedrooms</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:45:35 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Interaction with box theo's (12 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2676#msg-2676</link><description><![CDATA[ Hmmmmm..So I guess I learned this week that there are those who just avoid conflict at all cost even when bringing up charges..yet at the same time the church in boxers are not inclined to discuss theology.If faced theology of the sort they seem to run for the hills yet complain about their problems at church...spout their crazed fearful doctrines and run amok..fine..<br /><br />So for now we laid down arms and walked away. It's kind of weird. I know folks are probably rejoicing over it. I'm sure it was deemed as useless debate and devise by the group. Maybe it was. I don't know.But something doesn't feel right now.<br /><br />I think something got compromised in the process. Like we didn't really prove grace..we just took a detour and allowed folks more bad habits of writing between the lines for us to interpret for them..That's so not cool.<br /><br />I feel slighted in not being confronted properly.<br /><br />I did gain some really good fellowship and am meeting one of them for lunch at the end of the month.<br /><br />So for now it's talks of Baseball..old pics of high school and what we had for breakfast..Just Like face book. Only problem is..we already have that.<br /><br />Not sure if this interests anyone here but I find it all too common anymore.<br /><br />Peace Gang..<br />yours truly<br />the mad shark hunter..]]></description>
<dc:creator>radio roswell</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 10:39:56 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Duck, Duck,....Goose! (4 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2666,2666#msg-2666</link><description><![CDATA[ I really enjoyed this perspective and thought some of you might as well...<br /><br />[<a href="http://www.quiveringdaughters.com/2010/09/duck-duck-goose.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.quiveringdaughters.com</a>]]]></description>
<dc:creator>Mountainash</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:56:45 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Book Reviews (4 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2665#msg-2665</link><description><![CDATA[ I read Brian McLaren's book &quot;A New Kind Of Christianity&quot; recently. I aint all that smart so I had to re-read sections a few times to *get* what he was trying to say. :-)<br /><br />One thing I enjoyed most about the book was how it motivated contemplation in my life. I felt the same way about The Shack and Bo's Cafe. Anyone else read the book? Thoughts?<br /><br />Still learning....<br /><br />Steve]]></description>
<dc:creator>Indy46220</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:50:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The Heart of the Matter (again?) (3 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2660#msg-2660</link><description><![CDATA[ Seems to me, I may have used that title before. Oh well,....<br /><br />The Bible talks a lot about the HEART. People these days love to say FOLLOW YOUR HEART. But the church can't seem to get past the idea that THE HEART IS DESPERATELY WICKED. So,... What to do / say / think / feel about our hearts?<br /><br />Questions I'm pondering:<br />What is the Heart?<br />Does God give a hoot what's in ours? Why / Why not?<br />Does God have one? What does this mean to us?<br />Why is the Heart so misunderstood? Or is it?<br /><br />(anyone)]]></description>
<dc:creator>Theresa7</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:33:28 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>living loved, involves loving people (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2635,2635#msg-2635</link><description><![CDATA[ Something i'm processing is that God kinda sets an example for us<br /><br />He loves me<br />he allows his love to change me<br />i throw all kinds of crap his way, disobey, hate, ignore, cause his son to die<br />but he still loves me<br /><br />and i find it kind of infectious, the more and more i discover how unworthy of his love i am, the easyier i find it to see the need to love other dirty humans and its not an hippy all you need if love thing, its born in the belly of my creation.<br /><br />God give me the eyes to see the love you have for people who have hurt me, and the strength and grace not to ignor what i see]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:58:02 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>To eat.. or not to eat? That is the question. (12 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2608,2608#msg-2608</link><description><![CDATA[ This is NOT a thread regarding the Jewish dietary laws...<br /><br />however, it came to my attention that some of the chicken in our local supermarket is <i>halal</i> prepared. I am reminded that in scripture we are admonished to not eat food that has been offered to idols, or made as a sacrifice. So... my question is this........ should we <i>knowingly</i> eat meat that has been <i>halal</i> prepared? Yes, I know, Mohamed is a false prophet/god and each animal slaughtered faces Mecca and has the 'prayer' prayed over it as its throat is cut etc etc, and He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world, and Peter was shown the vision of the 'clean and unclean' - but I believe this is different. 'Should' we abstain from food that is knowingly Islamic in origin??? (yes, its only food - but I suspect there is a principle here.....).<br /><br />I sure would appreciate your thoughts/comments - the jury is still out on this one (dunno)<div id="div_41db9bb94e60a0eb2dd3ace0cdcdbd9b"
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<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:38:04 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Unfulfilled Prophesy (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2605,2605#msg-2605</link><description><![CDATA[ I stumbled upon <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_historical_predictions_by_Christians" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >this</a> today and thought that I would stick in on the pin-board here for others to see and add their post-it's to.<br /><br />It also made me think of the unfulfilled prophesy in my life...<i>goes off to re-read them.</i>]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wifey</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:06:47 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Jesus loves me (8 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?2,2572,2572#msg-2572</link><description><![CDATA[ <span style="color:#0000CC">Got these new words to Jesus love me today in my email.</span><br /><br /><br /><br />JESUS LOVES ME<br /><br />Jesus loves me, this I know,<br />Though my hair is white as snow<br />Though my sight is growing dim,<br />Still He bids me trust in Him.<br />(CHORUS)<br />YES, JESUS LOVES ME.. YES, JESUS LOVES ME..<br />YES, JESUS LOVES ME, FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO.<br /><br />Though my steps are oh, so slow,<br />With my hand in His I'll go<br />On through life, let come what may,<br />He'll be there to lead the way.<br />(CHORUS)<br /><br />When the nights are dark and long,<br />In my heart He puts a song....<br />Telling me in words so clear,<br />&quot;Have no fear, for I am near.&quot;<br />(CHORUS)<br /><br />When my work on earth is done,<br />And life's victories have been won.<br />He will take me home above,<br />Then I'll understand His love.<br />(CHORUS)<br /><br />I love Jesus, does He know?<br />Have I ever told Him so?<br />Jesus loves to hear me say,<br />That I love Him every day.<br />(CHORUS)]]></description>
<dc:creator>dogwoodflwr</dc:creator>
<category>The Lounge</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:49:47 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Good Nite (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?4,2567,2567#msg-2567</link><description><![CDATA[ Haven't had a Good nite thread in awhile. So here it is. Good night from CT. it is 11pm here time to shut off the computer<br />and go to bed. May Papa watch over all of us.<br /><br />Toni<br />(gnite)]]></description>
<dc:creator>dogwoodflwr</dc:creator>
<category>The Bedrooms</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:21:30 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Tell me the truth (16 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2559,2559#msg-2559</link><description><![CDATA[ It was easy being church you were told what to believe and that if you did believe what you were told then you held the truth. Now I find myself going all hippy and post modern, you tell me your truth and I'll tell you mine.<br /><br />I agree with rob bells book velvet elvis that we all have an image of god, but it's not the complete true picture, like blind men feeling an elephant they have to share what they have found out about their part of the elephant to get the bigger picture.<br /><br />As believers maybe we need to share our info and freely recieve the info from others rather than simply defend our case, maybe as the body of Christ we should Stop trying to be major organs and try more to be the genes carrying gods DNA<br /><br />Are there truths, absolutes that are the foundation of what you beleive?<br /><br />Mine are: 1) I don't have enough faith to NOT believe in God<br />2) God is love, and love that we have only experienced in a tiny measure, God loves me which i don't understand or deserve, I can't increase or decrease his love<br />3) I believe that Jesus is both gods son and God, and that he gave up everything so I could have a relationship with god<br />4) I believe that god speaks / shows his love for us in anyway he canmake us listen or see<br />5) that the bible is inspired by and made live by the holy spirit, and is the benchmark for our you image of god<br />6) God does not need my to do anything for him, but he loves doing things with me.<br />7) the secular spiritual divide is a lie, started by the darkside and so often promoted by the church, everything is spiritual<br />8) god doesn't need me to protect and defend him<br />9) Christ is he head of the church, only if he builds his church will it prevail, it's his church and it's flipping everwhere, if you belong to Christ you belong to his church.<br />10) wearing sandles with socks is wrong<br /><br />I guess those are the basics, please add anyother that you think are fundamental]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:00:33 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Hokey cokey (17 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2548,2548#msg-2548</link><description><![CDATA[ Ok something I have been feeling for a while on other fora and in chatting with friends is a sense of them and us, between those in those out and those shaking it all about, and I guess I don't really get it.<br /><br />I have no desire to empty churches or any objection of going to a church meeting if I felt the need.<br />But I often hear of conflict between those in church and those who expression of church is outside of buildings meetings and structures.<br /><br />A good friend was chatting to me about a period when speaking in tongues was the big thing in the church we attended, he was now questioning whether it was real or made up, my response was that did it matter? By that I meant if god used or spoke to people through an out pouring of the spirit or if he used people making up words &quot;oh for a shandy&quot; what does it matter.<br /><br />I do not wish to in any way limit or cage god, if god is speaking to and building a relationship with his children through them going to a building once a week doing a line dance and taking without question what is said to them, if god uses that who am I to question that, I also don't feel the need to allow well meaning friends family to limit god by saying I need to be in a 'church'.<br /><br />I do like the line in the shack which says not all roads lead to god but god can be found on most roads, I'm sure that might include church!<br /><br />I guess my desire is when I get my head round living loved I can become a person that lives loving that feels no need to defend or attack but can accept that dad is big and beautiful enough to look after himself and provide for each individual their needs in ways I may not like or understand but he does it out of the same love he has for me]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:54:44 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Rebuilding (16 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2529#msg-2529</link><description><![CDATA[ I am planning a rebuild of Papa's Home, based on a more robust web application platform...<br /><br />...so...<br /><br />please leave me lots of suggestions on what you'd like to be able to do, or to have made easier...or anything you do like about the current system in particular...or whatever. Hey, you guys use Facebook, so you must have some ideas!<br /><br />(o, btw, I cannot promise that any and every suggestion will make it in...but I love a challenge...)<br /><br /><br />Thanks!]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Foyer</category><pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:46:29 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Beauty and Art (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?2,2516,2516#msg-2516</link><description><![CDATA[ I wanted to share a desktop wallpaper that I have and enjoy....<br /><br />[attachment 110 The_Overseer_of_the_Universe.jpg]]]></description>
<dc:creator>Wifey</dc:creator>
<category>The Lounge</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:11:36 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Missing posts (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2510,2510#msg-2510</link><description><![CDATA[ I posted a reply to lionhearts evangelisms thread but it seems to have vanished, it's been raining here since sunday so maybe it got washed away!]]></description>
<dc:creator>J(uk)</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:39:36 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Thinking outside the &quot;Word of God&quot;? (14 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2482,2482#msg-2482</link><description><![CDATA[ This week a friend has lost his wife due to mental illness, and my wife and I will be going to the funeral with all the rest of IC'rs. As I have been praying and thinking about this situation I was challenged again about what I really do consider is the Word of God (wog) and the Word of Scripture (wos). Silly connection maybe, however what do you think about when people liberally quote to you about what the WOS says? For sure this morning we'll get alot of it from several people with different slants on it!<br /><br />For Years the WOG has been spoken of as the WOS, so one must think that these are one and the same surely? If any WOS is spoken it the final word, for Rev 22:19 And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book&quot; Is this only talking about the Revelation or of the whole WOS?<br /><br />Therefore Father God has been limited to only the WOS and anything outside this must be heresy?<br /><br />When Satan tempted him to turn the stones into bread so he could eat He said Mat 4:4 &quot;It is written, 'One must not live on bread alone, but on every word coming out of the mouth of God.&quot;<br /><br />More thoughts to come...<br /><br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:43:40 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Facebook Friends (1 reply)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?2,2470,2470#msg-2470</link><description><![CDATA[ Hey guys,<br /><br />Hi my name is Jon and I'm a facebook junkie....(confession time). Anyone else on facebook? Would love to link up and be facebook friends.]]></description>
<dc:creator>zinger</dc:creator>
<category>The Lounge</category><pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:02:14 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Poem - A new Kind of Hero (no replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?12,2463,2463#msg-2463</link><description><![CDATA[ A New Kind of Hero<br /><br />by Max Lucado<br /><br />I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep as the Father knows me.<br />~ John 10:14-15<br /><br />BEHOLD A HERO of the west: the cowboy.<br /><br />A thousand head of cattle pass behind him. A thousand miles of<br />trail lie before him. A thousand women would love to hold him. But none do.<br />None will. He lives to drive cattle, and he drives cattle to live. He is<br />honest in poker and quick with a gun. Hard riding. Slow talking. His best<br />friend is his horse, and his strength is his grit.<br /><br />He needs no one. He is a cowboy. The American hero.<br /><br />Behold a hero in the Bible: the shepherd.<br /><br />On the surface he appears similar to the cowboy. He, too, is<br />rugged. He sleeps where the jackals howl and works where the wolves prowl.<br />Never off duty. Always alert. Like the cowboy, he makes his roof the stars<br />and the pasture his home.<br />But that is where the similarities end.<br /><br />The shepherd loves his sheep. It's not that the cowboy doesn't<br />appreciate the cow; it's just that he doesn't know the animal. He doesn't<br />even want to. Have you ever seen a picture of a cowboy caressing a cow? Have<br />you ever seen a shepherd caring for a sheep? Why the difference?<br /><br />Simple. The cowboy leads the cow to slaughter. The shepherd<br />leads the sheep to be shorn. The cowboy wants the meat of the cow. The<br />shepherd wants the wool of the sheep. And so they treat the animals<br />differently.<br /><br />The cowboy drives the cattle. The shepherd leads the sheep.<br /><br />A herd has a dozen cowboys. A flock has one shepherd.<br /><br />The cowboy wrestles, brands, herds, and ropes. The shepherd<br />leads, guides, feeds, and anoints.<br /><br />The cowboy knows the name of the trail hands. The shepherd knows<br />the name of the sheep.<br /><br />The cowboy whoops and hollers at the cows. The shepherd calls<br />each sheep by name.<br /><br />Aren't we glad Christ didn't call himself the Good Cowboy? But<br />some do perceive God that way. A hard-faced, square-jawed ranch- hand from<br />heaven who drives his church against its will to places it doesn't want to<br />go.<br /><br />But that's a wrong image. Jesus called himself the Good<br />Shepherd. The Shepherd who knows his sheep by name and lays down his life<br />for them. The Shepherd who protects, provides, and possesses his sheep. The<br />Bible is replete with this picture of God.<br /><br />Eighty percent of Jesus' listeners made their living off of the<br />land. Many were shepherds. They lived on the mesa with the sheep. No flock<br />ever grazed without a shepherd, and no shepherd was ever off duty. When<br />sheep wandered, the shepherd found them. When they fell, he carried them.<br />When they were hurt, he healed them.<br /><br />Sheep aren't smart. They tend to wander into running creeks for<br />water, then their wool grows heavy and they drown. They need a shepherd to<br />lead them to &quot;calm water&quot; (Ps. 23:2). They have no natural defense-no claws,<br />no horns, no fangs. They are helpless. Sheep need a shepherd with a &quot;rod and<br />... walking stick&quot; (Ps. 23:4) to protect them. They have no sense of<br />direction. They need someone to lead them &quot;on paths that are right&quot; (Ps.<br />23:3).<br /><br />So do we. We, too, tend to be swept away by waters we should<br />have avoided. We have no defense against the evil lion who prowls about<br />seeking who he might devour. We, too, get lost. &quot;We all have wandered away<br />like sheep; each of us has gone his own way&quot; (Isa. 53:6).<br /><br />We need a shepherd. We don't need a cowboy to herd us; we need a<br />shepherd to care for us and to guide us.<br /><br />He's not a cowboy, and we aren't cattle. He doesn't brand us,<br />and we're not on the way to the market. He guides, feeds, and anoints. And<br />Word has it that he won't quit until we reach the homeland.<br /><br />From 'A Gentle Thunder' Copyright (Thomas Nelson, 1995) Max Lucado<br /><br />be blessed by this little jewel.]]></description>
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<category>The Theatre</category><pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:01:58 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Social Clubs (14 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2454,2454#msg-2454</link><description><![CDATA[ Hmmm, looking at the national paper today, and see this : [<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10664624" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.nzherald.co.nz</a>]<br /><br />It's following on from here : [<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10668193" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.nzherald.co.nz</a>]<br /><br />The gist of which is: NZ is one of the most desirable countries in the world for new immigrants, and our population could triple if we let everyone in...the second aspect of this is one of the Asians coming into the country having to join &quot;christian&quot; churches in order to get the support they need for settlement; business networking, schooling, friendships, etc, despite the fact that the Asian majority is Buddhist.<br /><br />Doesn't that make these churches nothing more than social clubs from the get-go?<br />Not that I have a problem with what they are doing to help new immigrants...I just don't think that religion should be part of the mix...<br />I have witnessed much racism directed towards the Asians particularly, and I don't really think they do themselves any favours by sticking to these social clubs rather than integrating with the general population; but it's the soft option.<br /><br />What do you think?]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:46:35 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The Doctor (3 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?8,2407,2407#msg-2407</link><description><![CDATA[ Hello my friends, it's been a while...the busy season is not yet over, but I felt to come spend some time with y'all!<br /><br />I've been thinking about this :<br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>Matthew 9</strong><br/>
As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man called Matthew, sitting in the tax collector's booth; and He said to him, &quot; Follow Me!&quot; And he got up and followed Him.<br />Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.<br /><br />When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, &quot; Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?&quot;<br /><br />But when Jesus heard this, He said, &quot;It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.<br /><br />&quot;But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.&quot;</div></blockquote><br />The institutions I have been part of all put the adherent's ability to perform mentally and physically and socially and emotionally at the top of the priority list for people that they would value...people that they could use to further their aims. Hence they left out those of &quot;unsound&quot; mind, body, temperament, social acceptability.<br /><br />Whilst praying for my old Grandpa (93!), I was made aware of Papa's love and value for this old man, despite the fact that his body barely works, and his communication is shot, and his senility is set in...those are the outer things that man looks at...Jesus is the lover of our heart! So then, how can we say to those of other belief systems / persuasions / mental capacity that they will never see Him? For it is He who looks upon our heart, it is He who gave His all for the purchase of that soul.<br /><br />Therefore is it really even necessary for any one of us to follow Christianity's pat line of &quot;you MUST confess the Jesus Christ is Lord with your mouth in front of a congregation of people!&quot;??? Not to denigrate that stand...but it cannot stand up to His love, nor can it stand up against logic...as it confines all of the mentally infirm, the too-young, the mute...to hell.<br /><br />Papa forgive me for the times that I have valued your people according to their perceived worth! Help me to see their value in your eyes!!!]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>Onyx's Blog</category><pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:36:28 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Stop Praying Against The Persecution - It Is What Makes Us Strong! (2 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?14,2403,2403#msg-2403</link><description><![CDATA[ <center class="bbcode"><br/><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/B8ImvdW5kaY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"></embed><br/></center>]]></description>
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<category>Mark's Blog</category><pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:50:08 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>More to See - song (no replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?12,2397,2397#msg-2397</link><description><![CDATA[ As i was spending some time culling the media/music tracks that seem to have filled my hard drive I came across this little number... Here are the words -<br /><br /><br />Well I know that I may have had<br />My share of failing and falling<br />But I have come to understand<br />One thing remains<br />By all He’s done<br />I have been made holy<br />Worthy of serving the One<br />The One who wrote eternity<br />So deep in my heart<br /><br />Open your eyes and see<br />The wonder of a life<br />So wonderfully free<br />Lift up your head believe<br />There is more<br />There’s so much more to see<br /><br />You remind me still<br />Of the hope and promise<br />Daring my heart to be brave<br />And all the while<br />You strengthen me<br />So deep in my heart<br /><br />His mercies are new every morning<br />His mercies are new every day<br />His mercies are new every morning<br />Beautifully new every day<br /><br />Lift up your eyes and see<br />Lift up your eyes and see<br />Lift up your eyes and see<br />Lift up your eyes and see<br /><br />Heres a rock band singing it somewhere...?<br /><br /><br/><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/JVNo3jqVc7Y" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"></embed><br/><br /><br /><br /><br />(gnite)<br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Theatre</category><pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 05:01:11 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Evangelism! - have you got the brief? (11 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2394,2394#msg-2394</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Poll</b>: Do you need to be trained in Evangelism? <br/><br/>Evangelism and the Evangelist!<br /><br />&quot;I just so have a passion to be an evangelist to go into the world and share Jesus with everyone I meet&quot;<br /><br />Much like &quot;witnessing&quot; Evangelism is similar and yet 'strange' in a way, because your talking about those things called &quot;Gifts&quot; and &quot;Talents&quot;. Some people love them, some hate them, some think there a dead thing of the past!<br /><br />Do YOU want to be and Evangelist? Are You one now? Does the whole image of a Evangelist do anything for you?<br /><br />Do you think it is a biblical mandate to need/want to give up your work and do Evangelism full time if you have a 'calling'?<br /><br /><br />Your thoughts?<br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:50:20 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The BIG &quot;D&quot;...Discipleship (21 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2391,2391#msg-2391</link><description><![CDATA[ <b>Poll</b>: Is discipleship in need of revisting and rewriting? <br/><br/>Discipleship...<br /><br />What does this mean to you these days?? (seesaw)<br /><br />I happen to have gone to church! eek a &quot;meeting&quot; of folk with my wife and kids, as we had our meal several things were briefly touched on, incl the need to work the big D on some folks recently being told &quot;how to commit your life to God&quot;<br />This sentence alone will probably &quot;spark&quot; some thought's with you now how this &quot;should&quot; be done/worked etc...<br /><br />One chap said that &quot;He bought a big set of books that taught him how this should be done in every detail&quot; any pictures coming?<br /><br />Since we're in the &quot;kitchen&quot; then lets get learning/chopping and discovering what really the Big D has done to the &quot;Church&quot;?<br /><br />SO you now have a &quot;baby believer&quot; and &quot;You need to feed him or her&quot; isn't that the truth we were told? We must do it all for them until they can feed themselves? Its messy sure but we &quot;Have&quot; to do it?? Heard this before? So whats changed and what do we now believe?<br /><br />I'm afraid you might need to start with Gods word before we can move on?<br /><br />Your out of the box right so whats changed when you/we share our faith with someone and they say &quot;Yes I believe&quot; then what! We take and make em into one of US!! ;)<br /><br />Right Now you and I know there is a war on Souls, each day we come into contact with &quot;dead ones&quot; nice when their alive though. Then as your &quot;evangelisticisingwitnesstestifried&quot; they say &quot;Take me I'm yours give me what you have&quot; so do you take out the tracts and go through the 3 steps, followed by the 5 step rule and then the 12steps do's n donts then you &quot;you&quot; must &quot;plug them into the source&quot; after all if your not plugged in someone must off stepped on ya cord!<br /><br />LH left scratch marks here]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Conversations with church folks (21 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2351,2351#msg-2351</link><description><![CDATA[ Well, I know, I know.... we have talked about this subject again and again, on forum after forum. But I still am not satisfied. It's not that I want to come up with a cut and dried smart ass remark for past friends and acquaintances who ask &quot;are you still going to ChangePoint church?&quot; And when I say no, &quot;well where are you going&quot;? I try to tell them, from the heart, not too much information, but yet not glib and cold.... but I don't want to come across as condescending and bitter. I don't think that I AM bitter. No one, as far as I know, has &quot;hurt&quot; me, they have just missed me. I would like to be a person who speaks from the heart with those who are still enmeshed in the works of the system. I would like to treat them with respect, even if I get the same old cliches and buzz words.<br /><br />I just got off of the phone.... same old thing. I guess that we have to accept the fact that people don't &quot;hear&quot;, and may not be able to. But I don't want to give up hope, for the church, and for these people. I don't want to go into these conversations self protecting. I really think that Papa is doing a work in His church, and I don't want to get in the way. I would rather be a part of what He is doing.... or not do anything at all.<br /><br />So, just venting. Same old thing. And I suppose it has as many different characteristics, these meetings, as there are folks that we meet up with. But I do know that statistics show that MANY are leaving the building for the sake of their love of God. So, I want my heart to be willing to hear Papa, and not some clever response.<br /><br />Lord help us. Build Your church, in us.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:12:57 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The silence is deafening..... (6 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?2,2342,2342#msg-2342</link><description><![CDATA[ Hi everyone....<br /><br />well..... I've done it! I've officially resigned from the IC (membership). I sent the email yesterday.... the fallout is resoundingly.......... quiet.<br /><br />I had drafted a long letter detailing my reasons, but hubby wisely advised me just to bow out gracefully, and quietly. If they care about relationship, then a dialogue will follow. Am not holding my breath.<br /><br />Just thought I would let you know.]]></description>
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<category>The Lounge</category><pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:50:59 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>The &quot;Time&quot; we live in (13 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2334,2334#msg-2334</link><description><![CDATA[ just listening to a message by Arun Andrews (one of a few people who have podcasts with Ravi Zacharias) and although the message is titled &quot;Running out of time&quot; he picks up a thread in Mark 1v35<br /><br />ISV<br />Mar 1:35 In the morning, while it was still very dark, Jesus got up and went to a deserted place and prayed there.<br />Mar 1:36 Simon and his companions searched diligently for him.<br />Mar 1:37 When they found him, they told him, &quot;Everyone's looking for you.&quot;<br />Mar 1:38 He said to them, &quot;Let's go to the neighboring towns so that I can preach there, too. For that is why I came out here.&quot;<br /><br />Seemingly unconcerned about there urgent need of him and there plans, Jesus was almost saying &quot;I will not live my life by the turning of the urgent but rather live my life to the drumbeat of the heavenly father&quot; Notice the difference now in your present live and concern weather your ITB or OTB is not so much the question it is which 'beat' are you following?<br /><br />How often is your live being driven by the 'urgent' when Father God wants you to live in the quiet spaces of him and what He has for you? Now thats relationship!<br /><br />Sure it sounds easy, if you have 4 or 7 kids or a very busy life full of 'demands' is it very different? Draw near to him, take a few moments to be alone, shut the door in the bedroom, Guys maybe its the &quot;man cave&quot; or shed/workshop, maybe its in the car as you travel to work (if you have a job) or traveling to be somewhere, (dont close your eyes though, you dont have to ya know!) He's there wherever you are whatever the circumstances ready to meet you need ... His way ;)<br /><br />Q:- Why is there so much pressure to be and do everything just like Jesus? I guess because we cant be ourselves?<br /><br />Shalom<br /><br />LH]]></description>
<dc:creator>Lionhearted</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:19:17 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Hierarchy (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2331,2331#msg-2331</link><description><![CDATA[ Check out this article:<br />[<a href="http://www.the-next-wave-ezine.info/issue138/index.cfm?id=61&amp;ref=ARTICLES_FEATURED%20ARTICLE:%20AT%20THE%20TOP_825" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >www.the-next-wave-ezine.info</a>]<br /><br />very cool; I liked this bit the most:<br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>Many are of the opinion that Jesus actually taught and promoted hierarchy in the Church, something I find alarming and dangerous. But, just for a moment, let me ask, &quot;What would we expect to see in the New Testament if Jesus DIDN'T want His Church to be run like a hierarchy? Wouldn't we expect to see Jesus condemning this practice? Perhaps he would have pointed to a hierarchical system and commanded His disciples not to follow that example?<br /><br />&quot;Jesus called them together and said, &quot;You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&quot; – Jesus, in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 10, verses 42-45.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
<dc:creator>onyx</dc:creator>
<category>The Kitchen / Dining Room</category><pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:56:44 -0500</pubDate></item>
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<title>Muslim women are fighting back. (5 replies)</title><link>http://papashome.com/read.php?14,2294,2294#msg-2294</link><description><![CDATA[ One of the things I like to do at the end of a long overseas trip, especially whn passing through Bangkok is together a foot massage.<br /><br />So as normal I arrived early at the airport to ensure I had enough time to partake in this refreshing pre travel ritual. However on this occasion instead of a quiet space a loud argument was occurring.<br /><br />The culprits for disturbing my pre flight peace where two Muslim couples. The men where dressed in trendy modern designer clothes. The women were wearing full traditional Burkha. They argued for a while in some Arabic toungeand the guys seemed to be laughing about the whole thing. The women were furious.<br /><br />However things rapidly changed when in crystal clear English made the following statement. &quot;no wonder the people of the west misunderstand us when they see that you make us where these burkhas but then allow scantly clad women to massage your feet. We are leaving and if u want to keep on seeing whAt is under this burkha you had better leAve with me.&quot;<br /><br />The two women left with two subdued men behind and a room full of appluSe.<br /><br />So as I sit in the airport waiting for my flight I have been pondering this exchAnge. My thinking thus far has no conclusion other than it is not only the western world that has fallen into sin of modern living but also those of the Muslim world are struggling to come to terms with the changes in the way the love , live and view the western world.<br /><br />Oh by the way, the scantily dressed girls were wearing blue jeans and polo shirts. But ankles and necklines visible.<br /><br />So in closing I appluDe those women for taking a stand.may there be many more like u.]]></description>
<dc:creator>joshuacorp</dc:creator>
<category>Mark's Blog</category><pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:13:57 -0500</pubDate></item>
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