Papa's Home <small><span class="italics"><strong>John 14:2</strong> says</span>," In My Papa's Home there are many rooms. If it were not so, I would have told you; for I am going away to prepare a place for you."</small>http://papashome.com/index.phpSun, 05 Sep 2010 04:32:20 -0500 Phorum 5.2.15a http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2725#msg-2725 Re: Naturally super - angels etchttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2725#msg-2725i am sure you have more to tell, and that god has been naturally super in your life if you think of it, I too had a similar experience; I was running a just looking at god course with 6 unchurched young people when the door flew open an two people flew in. One a 16 year old on the outside of what we were doing the other a 21 year old from a probation hostle I had never seen before. The older lad was attacking the younger one with violent punches as he sought refuge; the older one was a skin head yet was yelling "you sset my hair on fire!"

I'm not good on confrontation an violence but just put my hand on the back of the older lad and he instantly stopped hitting the other boy and walked out.]]> J(uk) The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 18:31:02 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2720#msg-2720 Re: Naturally super - angels etchttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2720#msg-2720
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a wall of torrentshal rain that stopped feet away from me and went no further.

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an 8 year old pray for her friend and watching and hearing her friends leg grow 2 inches with no one even touching her.

My hair's standing on end. It must have been thrilling to be there and witness that.

I have about 1 naturally super story. I was a new believer way back in the 70s and one night had a dream. In the dream I was in my gradeschool auditorium, but all the seats were gone and instead, hanging from the walls on hooks, were living people, in great agony. I went up to the first one and out of my mouth came "The blood of Jesus cleanses you from all unrighteousness" (later I found it in 1 Peter but at the time didn't know this verse). The person fell off the wall and was free and very jubilant, so I kept going around the room, with people getting free and following me, then I turned around and coming toward me with a great horde of people was a beautiful blond man who I knew instantly was Satan. He approached me in great anger and as he raised his arm to blast me, I thought "I have no weapon!" then instantly cried "Jesus!" and a sort of transparent bubble shield came down over me and all the free people, and his blast bounced off. Needless to say, this was a very uplifting dream.

Several weeks later, as I was at my desk in an office in a rough part of town, in ran a young woman who was obviously in utter terror for her life. "He's going to kill me!" and before I could ask "Who?" in came a very tall (at least 6'5inches) crazed man. Instinctively I pulled the girl behind me and behind my desk, and faced him, and the thought in my head was "I have no weapon!" and THEN I remembered the dream! and I said to him, "Leave us alone in the name of Jesus". He towered over me, his face a twisted mask of rage and tried to spit in my face but he couldn't, and instead spit at my feet and snarled "THAT's what I think of Jesus". and then he turned to the girl behind my desk. He could easily have reached across my desk and grabbed her but.....he couldn't. He kept trying to reach, but his hand kept stopping in the air......and with a yell of rage he ran outside, where 3 police cars had just arrived and it took 6 big policemen to subdue him.

& that's my story & I'm stickin to it, and from that time on, I've never been afraid of satan because I saw how much greater Jesus is.]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 15:44:23 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2717#msg-2717 Naturally super - angels etchttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2717,2717#msg-2717
It must of been 15 / 16s ago I was working for the church runing a youth project which in a year had grown from 100% churched kids to 60% unchurched. Anyway me and a few of the leaders most of whom were unchurched young people went to a youth church conference, at which were some south Americans who had been seeing revival in their country.

At the end they had a prayer time and when someone got healled a kinda Mexican wave of claps went round. The night we got back was pretty hot so we slept with the window open. At 2am my then wife and I both were woken by the exact clapping we had heard earlier. We lived In a semi detached house with a park opposite, as the clapping continued I got up and stuck my head out of the window it was a clear night but there was nothing to be seen but this clapping went round and round, so I shut the window and went back to bed. Who knows what I might of found if I went and ran around in the park in my pj's.

I love it when creation can no longer contain the super natural or as I prefer the naturally super and it bursts through, like camping with loads of youth churches and standing in the field with all the tents and seeing in front of me a wall of torrentshal rain that stopped feet away from me and went no further.

Or seeing an 8 year old pray for her friend and watching and hearing her friends leg grow 2 inches with no one even touching her.

I guess I still believe in this stuff but because I'm not surround by others who also believe I see or hear of it less,
so do people have stories, ( bizarrely as I type on my iPhone I have my music library playing on random, its just playing a track called I think celleahge, from a old cd called hydro , this one track is the sounds of angels that a group of kids picked up whilst recording themselves worshipping) sorry I got interupted,

I believe that god moves in amazing or super ways, yesterday in London me and zoe had a average chinese meal before going to see the play, as we came to pay and leave in a bit of a rush, our average waitress was not around so I gave the money to a waiter who had not served us in anyway, as he was about to return with my change I just felt to let him have, which I did, we left and had walked 150 yards away around a corner when the waiter caught up to us with my bag, for me that's god being naturally super.]]> J(uk) The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 10:56:03 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2716#msg-2716 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2716#msg-2716
J call me Jeff..great response..i appreciate your taking the time tor respond and navigate my thought process..LOL..even though we may not see totally be in agreement..your take is very welcomed.

Shell..great insight as usual....now you got it....I know I'm not the easiest to sift through this crazy mind..
sorry to hear about your hubby with the depression. I deal with anxiety..it comes here and there.I think maybe there might be components that really effect my anxiety..like inverted depression. Music helps. I always have grand nations of callings or work that I do or artistic endeavors ..I really get my identity intertwined and then try to find deep esteem in it..it's weird..Like "Papa..look what I can do...cool thanks for the gifts..now where do you want me??"

Oh man Oynx..Dude..you said a line that we always say in our phone conversations of the podcast..I will send it today..and you mentioned it..LOL..what conformation...

as far as the forum at the other side of the universe that I originated with..all is well again

The gays are being blamed for the condition of all future marriage..and given a few more days the notion that hurricanes mean that God is pissed again at America like it did before. But thank God he spared us..maybe some of us repented..??

I was so tempted to say.." should we round up a few virgins to throw in the volcano to appease this god?"

It would be just like me...Eh?? what are going to do..

I was nudged naturally to send some charity to guy down on his luck that probably doesn't appreciate my comments..an.."in boxer"..but so what right??..let's be one anyway..

Maybe we'll just let this grace thing go undercover...for a bit..infiltrate enemy lines..

peace Jeff]]> radio roswell The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 10:39:56 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2714#msg-2714 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2714#msg-2714I am very aware that I sit in a very different place to you, a different nation who 50 years ago as a nation would go to church on a Sunday almost without question and almost without any relationship with a living god. Here no one bar my parents really care that I don't go to church, I often respond from my position not stopping to consider others, sorry.

I am always going on about how god can use speak to people both in and out of the box and I stick by that, I guess what I am sensing for you is there are some who either see and value the box or the freedom more than the love and relationship with god. I guess when the time comes god will say I do not know you.

As to oneness I see it as not all of us being one as in the same, but having one Christ in all of us, with diversity given a better picture of Christs wholeness.

As to compromise, what does that mean? Do I say I won't compromise because with out a doubt I am right and you are wrong? I have nothing left to learn? I am not saying I will waterdown what I believe but I will listen learn and become enlightened by the views of others, maybe that is being adaptable rather that compromising.

Re avoiding conflict, my feelings are that in the garden Jesus told peter put away your sword he then healled the man trying to arrest him, for me when Jesus needs me to defend him or get into conflict for him I will be very afraid, yes Jesus raged in the temple but he also told the disciples that if one place didn't accept what they were saying to shake the dust from their sandles and move on.

Is healing and ministering to those attacking you avoiding conflict or is it standing firm in the power of love challenging power abuse injustice not by relecting and responding with the same but with love.
I do not wish to be in conflict with anyone I love, and can't see how conflict ever draws people closer.]]> J(uk) The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 09:47:37 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2713#msg-2713 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2713#msg-2713
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HOW TO BE ONE? with the ITBers.
My only experience with this is with my Mom. Now, mind that she IS my MOM but. I think the only way for ITBers and OTBers to be one is that BOTH have to respect each other's experience as just as valid as our own. Both "sides" have to have the confidence and relaxation that nobody is trying to take anything away from them, or lord it over them. We have to see each other as NOT A THREAT. And I would further submit that we each need to have a real curiosity and interest about how the other sees God, not so we can compare, but because we really care about that other person.

As Jeff says, because of the highly charged political climate, the"Christian Nation" situation, going on, this oneness is very rare. I haven't found anyone besides my Mom willing to talk in a mutually respectful way. It's like ITBers are on the defense, and see us as the offense, when I'm not playing football at all. I've got a friend at work who's Waaaaay in the box and bristles in defense of church when I haven't even given her cause. Methinks she protesteth too much.

Sorta reminds me of when I was a kid, and all the other kids in my neighborhood were Catholic, and back then, the Church had a law that you couldn't go to any other church for a visit. I kept inviting my friends to Sunday School with me when they'd stay over Saturday night, but they were like, "Noooo, it would be a venial sin" or something like that. And even as a kid, I used to wonder, If this church is so great, why do they have to build walls to keep the people in?

I am not very interested in debating doctrine. But I am glad there are those who are interested. Like Jeff said, maybe there are one or two ITBers who are dying inside and who, reading an honest debate, may want to take the red pill. and see how deep the rabbit hole goes. (dance)]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 09:37:22 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2711#msg-2711 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2711#msg-2711
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So why try right?? well..I was hoping to really be ONE. to say look..we are on different pages but so what. IT's personal to them. This place of culture and staure is an idol but they won't admit it. And I realize that now. * sigh*
hmmm....HOW TO BE ONE? with the ITBers...that's a great question that never really crossed my mind before...kinda never found it necessary, as I've been too busy rebelling from authority (laugh) ... but seriously folks; how to be one?]]> onyx The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 08:51:39 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2710#msg-2710 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2710#msg-2710
Let me clarify becasue it seems there's a bit of a miss here in the perspective..

IT appeared to me..that there's an idea of theme at this forum..( every forum has a tone by popularity of thought that you have to get settled into to communicate) of we should all be one. And I don't disagree. I think we are. Even with some of our bro's and sis inside the box.

We are one in Christ..no doubt.but how do we exhibit that? Even with our box friends. This is very difficult. Because the very positions we left in doctrinal understanding that may seem to be life ( spiritually) to them is death to folks like us. Or we wouldn't have left. WE are left with a major conflicting tension. This is what causes all the infighting at forums on Christianity and with Family and with old friends...so what i was trying to suggest is..look were not going to change..NOR are we going to change anyone else. So how about this..let's exhibit love and grace to each other in spite of this.

But here's what happened and always happens. We > the out of boxers always have to get quiet and not upset the boat. Now there are a lot of folks in the middle at the places.I was one of them several years ago.Most of the middle folks have a notion of peace and love that means no debate or conflict. And it ain't debate or sharing perspectives on opposite sides of being free with those who are still doing their religious duty that sound like promise to these middle ground folks. But does this wok with those we really love? My wife and i have some great debates. But we still love each other..I respect her views..even if i don;t agree all the time..we have a passion to remain committed. Same with my brother..i don't agree with him on a lot of things.

IS there a purpose to it?? Yes I think there is . That's the rub in all this. It causes debate and fighting naturally. But good I say. Let's have the discussion. Because I was sitting there about several years ago with no courage to break free until I saw some flexing their voice.

NOW.. i go to the In boxers or IC folk and I say..you are my brother and sister..yes stay there if you like..It's none of my business. you are loved by me..I don't care what you do..BUT it's not enough for them it seems. They feel they have to defend the box. Then they start accusing you of being rebellious and this and that. Soon they pigeon hole your argument into oblivion. IT's brutal trying to have a discussion.

So why try right?? well..I was hoping to really be ONE. to say look..we are on different pages but so what. IT's personal to them. This place of culture and staure is an idol but they won't admit it. And I realize that now. * sigh*

See Oynx..Here in the states..Christianity is like Apple pie and baseball..it's a culture..Most folks in that culture actually think this is a " Christan Nation"..they think we need to take it back. It's kind of wild how they talk about it. and I live in the center of it's stronghold. A place called the Bible Belt in the south.

So in conclusion..what I was trying to do was allows us to have our opinions...warts and all and the ability to be wrong but be ONE anyway..this is what i meant by proving grace..we were trying to do it on a scale the size of a forum...and what happened is..to appease everyone..the trouble makers like me..who tried to share the freedom we share here so openly..had to put a lid on it..and now everyone's making nice. But it's not real. We compromised for it's sake.

I'm thinking...that's not a good idea. I'm thinking..we need to be real. We're going to face conflict just for being this way of thought.Folks like us are salt. And I'm thinking..that's ok.

I'm not apologizing for anything. I'm confused as to why after starting the fire of freedom leaving those places..were surrendering to a notion that being divided in thought is the same as being divided in principal. Maybe it is..I don't know. But we gotta try and still be who we are. we all carved our independence from this thing. And yea..most of us went through the bitter valley at first..but now....let's not confuse being angry at this religious strong hold on others as bitterness..maybe folks like me are just pissed off at it's religious BS..and that passion well give someone else courage who's teetering in anxiety over making a break cause they are dying inside.

WE'll see.]]> radio roswell The Kitchen / Dining RoomSat, 04 Sep 2010 08:17:10 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2708#msg-2708 Re: Sleepless in Londonhttp://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2708#msg-2708 dogwoodflwr The BedroomsFri, 03 Sep 2010 21:45:35 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2707#msg-2707 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2707#msg-2707
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I think something got compromised in the process. Like we didn't really prove grace..we just took a detour and allowed folks more bad habits of writing between the lines for us to interpret for them..That's so not cool.

Jeff, you make it sound like you are an apologist for being out of the box here? I know what you are saying, but I question: is it really your job to "prove grace" to stony hearts? I would submit to you that perhaps it is just your job to Live grace ... in so doing it is proven. And there will always be pharisees whose mission it is to destroy every argument that sets itself up against their concept of religion - even Jesus just muttered about whitewashed tombs and walked away ;).]]> onyx The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 21:29:48 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2706#msg-2706 Re: Sleepless in Londonhttp://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2706#msg-2706 onyx The BedroomsFri, 03 Sep 2010 21:12:30 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2705#msg-2705 Sleepless in Londonhttp://papashome.com/read.php?4,2705,2705#msg-2705me awake (my foots asleep, the rest of me isn't)

usually I'm at home so I can go downstairs watch tv, have bath talk to the dog, but tonight I'm in a twin hotel room in London with my sleeping eldest daughter! having taken her to see phantom of the opera as her birthday present (her twins going to see wwe for his trip in nov!!) So I'm watching the seconde tick by hoping for the point where I too tired to be kept awake.

Thankful for iPhone at least I have something]]> J(uk) The BedroomsFri, 03 Sep 2010 21:02:41 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2704#msg-2704 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2704#msg-2704
"oh" says the lady "that's a shame because those arnt weeds but beautiful fragrant wildflowers, which will bloom in a few weeks, I was looking forward to seeing and smelling them".

The man stopped weeding, it was hard work and he wanted an excuse, turning back to the house he picked a rose fore his wife, but as he did a thorn nicked him.


I guess somethings that start as weeds, that are bothering to us sometimes need to be allowed to grow in us and other things that we pride ourselves in can cause pain.]]> J(uk) The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 19:50:04 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2703#msg-2703 Re: The Heart of the Matter (again?)http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2703#msg-2703
Someone clever once said (or maybe I just made it up) so don't quote me, that beside physical needs people need love security and signifcance, (in built heart god desires) but we aim for sex, security and power

does god have a heart? Well his heart was there in genesis grieving.]]> J(uk) The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 19:33:28 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2697#msg-2697 Re: The Heart of the Matter (again?)http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2697#msg-2697
Since breaking out of the box, I have discovered my heart. It's ............me................. and it's Him................... When I thought according to religion, I, like you said, like Onyx said, distrusted my heart. I distrusted myself. when Jesus clearly said that if I trusted in him, he and his Father would come and make their HOME with me. If Jesus and Papa are at home in me, then....I can trust MY heart because it's part of his heart.

God's heart is his love. I used to be a student of the Bible, a person who lived out of her mind. If it wasn't in there, it wasn't truth, can i get a hallelujah.
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elevating our "knowledge" over the wisdom of trusting and believing.
i trusted my mind but did not trust my heart, because YA KNOW it's wicked in all its ways blah blah blah so you need to be plugged in to a congregation who will help you discern God's ways, you certainly can't trust yourself to discern God's ways.


Does God give a hoot what's in our hearts? uh., Yes. because our hearts are inextricably entwined. can't separate 'em if you tried. He wants it that way. I think he wanted it that way from the start.]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 17:09:21 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2695#msg-2695 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2695#msg-2695
I submit that if we listen. and hear. and do the next right thing. that's what he loves us to do.

It isn't up to us to know the outcome. Maybe Papa knows that would tax our tiny brains. (bighug) "Obedience" used to be a burden. now it is a joy, because it just means listening to his heart, doing the next right thing.]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 16:43:53 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2694#msg-2694 Re: The Heart of the Matter (again?)http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2660,2694#msg-2694
I have often wondered along the same lines, particularly because the club that I was in proclaimed that our hearts were NOT to be trusted. Then it was stated that we could trust our leaders in the church !!!(snotted)!!! Um, yeah, right.

I am learning that the heart is the place of communion with Papa. It is where we get to sit and chat. It does not absolve me from responsibility, but it asks me to pay heed to his residence there. It is surely not a physical place, but a spiritual one.

From his dealings with me, he does not worry about what is in my heart...because he lives there. Anything that is wrong and sinful coming from my state does not hurt him, does not concern him. He just says, "Let's look at this together shall we?" and shines the light on it.

I think he does have a heart, and it's that part of him that connects to us. But it's big enough to connect to all of us. And it's the reason why we tend to know when we are talking to other believers who store him in their heart - because we are literally connected. At least that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it :)

Why is the heart so misunderstood? I guess because humanity tries to rule life by the brain, rather than communicating with the living wisdom resident in the heart. They don't trust the heart to make the right decision (although you'd think that experience would betray that lie). And I do think that we have an enemy that would seek to destroy the very communication channels we have with our commander-in-chief. One way he can do that is by elevating our "knowledge" over the wisdom of trusting and believing. Ever since the garden...]]> onyx The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 16:39:45 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2692#msg-2692 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2692#msg-2692
Little story: I went to Auckland recently to spend some time visiting my old Granddad. This poor guy is stuck in a rest home 24-7, has terrible mobility (struggles to get round the room with a walker), is deaf as a post, and his speech is mumbled and slurred. But Papa had strongly hinted that I go. I didn't want to, because actually I never really knew him (the old-school children should be seen and not heard attitude that pervaded visits with him as a child meant that it was really difficult), and it was an uncomfortable experience that I knew I was embarking on. But Papa was so insistent that I had imaginings that I might have to deal with Granddad dying whilst I was there. Thankfully not. I spent a couple of days with him, just hanging out, trying to talk, and looking at ancient photos. Honestly, I still don't really know why Papa wanted me in that situation. But I'm going to trust that he knows what he's doing, because I know that it was not My will to go there...]]> onyx The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 16:18:42 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2666,2690#msg-2690 Re: Duck, Duck,....Goose!http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2666,2690#msg-2690
i wonder, why is cool so important, and why does cool always get included?

and how can we diminish the importance of cool in the lives of children we care about?]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:56:45 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2689#msg-2689 Re: Book Reviewshttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2689#msg-2689
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I had no idea that it was OK (and radically OK) to kneel down together. Know what I mean? :-)
yes I do, my friend.

just want to clarify, the book's title is "A New Kind of Christian".

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ideas different from my own dont threaten me anymore.
I'm thinking about that simple sentence and realizing, that is true for me as well. And it never was when I was boxed; I wonder if this is part of the new freedom and contentment now in my life.]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:50:02 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2688#msg-2688 Re: Rebuildinghttp://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2688#msg-2688 onyx The FoyerFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:46:29 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2686#msg-2686 Re: Book Reviewshttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2686#msg-2686
Here are two links with reviews:

[www.christianitytoday.com]

[www.harpercollins.com]

For me......

I love books about the life of Jesus. There sure are some twisted thoughts out there though but I dont have to buy into each word printed literally.

The joy of living in Father's love is, ideas different from my own dont threaten me anymore. Not long ago, I would have read The Shack and been turned off by it. I bought into the notion that I needed a God who I just had to bow down in front of. I had no idea that it was OK (and radically OK) to kneel down together. Know what I mean? :-)

I especially liked Brian McLaren's book "A New Kind Of Christianity" because it made me think and challenge some of the "theology" issues I had felt so determined to protect. I wouldn't say I agree with everything in the book but it has been a wonderful experience to view things through a somewhat different lens.

People who were quick to warn me about the book, were also critical when I mentioned I didn't want to go to church anymore. :-) I would highly recommend the book but I also read "Rules For Radicals" so what do I know? :-)

Thanks for asking Theresa.

Still learning....

Steve]]> Indy46220 The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:33:29 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2685#msg-2685 Re: Rebuildinghttp://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2685#msg-2685 C Shell The FoyerFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:31:28 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2683#msg-2683 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2683#msg-2683
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I did gain some really good fellowship and am meeting one of them for lunch at the end of the month.
Y'know, maybe that was what this was all about. Did you ever think of that? So you could have this encounter with this good fellowship and maybe make a friend.

I dunno, anymore, I'm not sure everything's purpose is a "closure", a nice neat sewed up happy ending. What if, INSIDE things that seem to be fruitless dead ends, there are seeds that Papa is planting for something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT???? Wouldn't that be just like something he would do?

so that might sound obscure........ummm..........I'll get personal.........my beloved husband suffers from Major Depressive Disorder. Been with him 16 years, it's never really gotten better. Tried all kindsa things, it would bore you if I listed them. Yesterday he described it as a shadow that has been between him and everything since he was in junior high. It never really lifts but sometimes get pushed back when he pays attention to something really interesting.

All this time, I've been trying to find a way to cure this depression, make it stop and go away and give me my Tim back. One way of saying it would be, to eliminate the shadow. Today I'm wondering? what if we learn from Papa how to live with the shadow? Instead of fighting the shadow, what if we invite God to our life with the shadow? Inside what seems to be a fruitless dead end, what if there is a seed of some entirely new way to be and think and live?

Jeff, what, you're thinking does this have to do with me. O maybe nothing, maybe I'm just off in a distant galaxy, but I saw a connection there.]]> C Shell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:26:16 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2681#msg-2681 Re: Rebuildinghttp://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2681#msg-2681 Heather The FoyerFri, 03 Sep 2010 15:13:49 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2680#msg-2680 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2680#msg-2680
Jaws is my favorite movie..it's not the best ever made..but the tension and reality of life in the symbolism draws me in every time.]]> radio roswell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 11:09:17 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2679#msg-2679 Re: Book Reviewshttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2665,2679#msg-2679 Theresa7 The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 10:56:36 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2678#msg-2678 Re: Interaction with box theo'shttp://papashome.com/read.php?3,2676,2678#msg-2678
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I think something got compromised in the process. Like we didn't really prove grace..we just took a detour and allowed folks more bad habits of writing between the lines for us to interpret for them..That's so not cool.

I feel slighted in not being confronted properly.

I hate when that happens. Really, not being sarcastic. I hate it, 'cause.... where do you go from there... they didn't really say anything, so.... grrrrr......(badday)


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I did gain some really good fellowship and am meeting one of them for lunch at the end of the month.

Cool. Hope you guys have fun. :)-D

Love your Jaws avatar BTW. (tu)]]> Theresa7 The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 10:54:48 -0500 http://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2677#msg-2677 Re: Rebuildinghttp://papashome.com/read.php?1,2529,2677#msg-2677
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So for now we laid down arms and walked away. It's kind of weird. I know folks are probably rejoicing over it. I'm sure it was deemed as useless debate and devise by the group. Maybe it was. I don't know.But something doesn't feel right now.

I think something got compromised in the process. Like we didn't really prove grace..we just took a detour and allowed folks more bad habits of writing between the lines for us to interpret for them..That's so not cool.

I feel slighted in not being confronted properly.

I did gain some really good fellowship and am meeting one of them for lunch at the end of the month.

So for now it's talks of Baseball..old pics of high school and what we had for breakfast..Just Like face book. Only problem is..we already have that.

Not sure if this interests anyone here but I find it all too common anymore.

Peace Gang..
yours truly
the mad shark hunter..]]> radio roswell The Kitchen / Dining RoomFri, 03 Sep 2010 07:01:38 -0500